FormerBondFan
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Favourite James Bond Films: The Dark Knight Trilogy, Mission: Impossible and any upcoming action films starring Pierce Brosnan (no, it's not James Bond which is good because he'll need it to expand his reputation as an actor, especially in the action realm)
Favourite Films: Star Wars, Indiana Jones, Star Trek, The Dark Knight Trilogy, Harry Potter, Middle-Earth, The Matrix, Mission: Impossible
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Post by FormerBondFan on May 22, 2008 17:05:40 GMT -5
I know Fleming's novels are more realistic than the movies, but do they have some fantasy in them?
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Post by 009 on May 24, 2008 5:48:37 GMT -5
They do not have any wizards in the them. Ian Fleming once said that the real spy world is rather drab, which is why he invented his outlandish scenarios, villians and other characters in his novels. So I would say the Ian Fleming novels are quite fantastical.
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FormerBondFan
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Posts: 5,455
Favourite James Bond Films: The Dark Knight Trilogy, Mission: Impossible and any upcoming action films starring Pierce Brosnan (no, it's not James Bond which is good because he'll need it to expand his reputation as an actor, especially in the action realm)
Favourite Films: Star Wars, Indiana Jones, Star Trek, The Dark Knight Trilogy, Harry Potter, Middle-Earth, The Matrix, Mission: Impossible
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Post by FormerBondFan on Sept 24, 2008 20:46:09 GMT -5
Aren't the gadgets in the novels somewhat futuristic?
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Post by poirot on Sept 24, 2008 21:31:22 GMT -5
The very nature of the stories is what makes them fantastical- not whether or not they contained gadgets or over-the-top action. They simply never offered a serious look at espionage. They were male fantasies.
Consider the plot of Casino Royale:
A man is sent to a foreign country, where his 'job' is going to be to gamble with someone else's money. Oh, and he also gets to take along a beautiful female assistant that becomes his lover. This was all sheer escapism to readers back in 1953- a way to forget their daily grind for a few chapters each night.
It's funny how the same plot is now regarded as both 'grounded' and 'realistic' in 2008. But then, foreign travel is no longer an exotic luxury. Even Marc Forster has been pointing that out during promotion for QOS. We're also used to sexual affairs and can even gamble online from the comfort of our homes.
Younger fans just don't seem capable of putting Fleming's books into context. Even the early Connery films are now being forced into the 'down-to-earth' category. But those films were unlike anything else when they first appeared in the early 60's. It's why they created such a huge phenomenon. If they had simply been 'realistic' spy films, EON wouldn't be about to release number twenty-two.
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Post by Jake on Oct 12, 2008 7:42:39 GMT -5
It makes me laugh when FRWL is held up as a serious film that the Craig era is returning to. Watch FRWL. Connery wanders through the film as if he's in some light comedy spy caper.
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FormerBondFan
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Posts: 5,455
Favourite James Bond Films: The Dark Knight Trilogy, Mission: Impossible and any upcoming action films starring Pierce Brosnan (no, it's not James Bond which is good because he'll need it to expand his reputation as an actor, especially in the action realm)
Favourite Films: Star Wars, Indiana Jones, Star Trek, The Dark Knight Trilogy, Harry Potter, Middle-Earth, The Matrix, Mission: Impossible
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Post by FormerBondFan on Oct 12, 2008 10:15:15 GMT -5
It makes me laugh when FRWL is held up as a serious film that the Craig era is returning to. That should have been Brosnan's era.
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Post by Cpt. Sir Dominic Flandry on Oct 31, 2010 6:49:36 GMT -5
Peter Morgan does not think so as he wanted to add "more social realism" to Bond.
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FormerBondFan
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Posts: 5,455
Favourite James Bond Films: The Dark Knight Trilogy, Mission: Impossible and any upcoming action films starring Pierce Brosnan (no, it's not James Bond which is good because he'll need it to expand his reputation as an actor, especially in the action realm)
Favourite Films: Star Wars, Indiana Jones, Star Trek, The Dark Knight Trilogy, Harry Potter, Middle-Earth, The Matrix, Mission: Impossible
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Post by FormerBondFan on Oct 31, 2010 11:12:35 GMT -5
I know the books have less gadgets than in movie, how much gadgets are there in Fleming's novels?
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Post by Gambit on Nov 1, 2010 7:12:22 GMT -5
Not as many as the films. The books are not half as serious as some people like to think though.
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dragonpol
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Post by dragonpol on Dec 23, 2013 14:55:14 GMT -5
Very interesting discussion. For me, DN and GF are the most fantastical of Fleming's Bond novels.
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Post by harrypalmer on Jan 7, 2014 16:46:00 GMT -5
Very interesting discussion. For me, DN and GF are the most fantastical of Fleming's Bond novels. Welcome dragonpol
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