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Post by dalton007 on Dec 26, 2010 12:43:36 GMT -5
i watch it 5 or 6 times, in order to see the weakness of this film or to see how awful the film would be. after watching it over and over, to my surprise, i don't have the problem with the new directions, my only problem just the lead actor.Craig is a talented actor (better than Brosnan IMO), but Craig is not very bondish to me. if only CR played by Sam Worthington i think the result will better than Craig.
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Post by John Drake on Dec 27, 2010 11:20:32 GMT -5
They should have gone with a younger actor. If it was supposed to be a reboot it didn't make any sense at all to cast Daniel Craig - who was not only too old to be a young Bond but looks about ten years older than he actually is.
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Post by alessandra on Dec 27, 2010 12:08:46 GMT -5
They should have gone with a younger actor. If it was supposed to be a reboot it didn't make any sense at all to cast Daniel Craig - who was not only too old to be a young Bond but looks about ten years older than he actually is. That is exactly the point. He was completely miscast from the start. That wasn't a reboot at all, and showing a man who is already 40 and looks FIFTY as a rookie Bond is ridiculous. It's as simple as that. Not to mention CR is one of the most boring NON Bond movies ever. it's not a Bond movie because there's NO James Bond in it, since Daniel Craig doesn't either look or least of all act like Bond. And, it's got nothing of what a Bond movie should have, other than a tux and a casino. Way too vague for that to be Bond.
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Post by Gambit on Dec 28, 2010 11:53:59 GMT -5
Because they didn't use the music or the gunbarrel and Craig is so at odds with the traditional Bond image, CR feels like an unofficial Bond film to me. NSNA felt strange but at least they had Sean Connery.
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Post by FormerBondFan on Dec 28, 2010 12:06:34 GMT -5
Someone needs to make an unofficial Bond film starring Steven Seagal as the superspy.
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Post by alessandra on Dec 28, 2010 19:02:12 GMT -5
Because they didn't use the music or the gunbarrel and Craig is so at odds with the traditional Bond image, CR feels like an unofficial Bond film to me. NSNA felt strange but at least they had Sean Connery. I agree. It's sad really that a potentially good idea to relaunch the franchise turned out like this. A way too old-looking actor cast as a rookie Bond, not to mention someone completely lacking the looks and style for the part. And absolutely zero of the Bond ingredients other than, again, a tux and a casino. Which can be seen in any random movie. Not just this but CR was so damn boring it had no resemblance to a 007 movie at all.
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Post by alvin on Dec 28, 2010 20:39:12 GMT -5
CR is an awesome example of revolutionary filmmaking. I mean, Barbara Broccoli wiped out that old fashioned kind of hero, that tall dark handsome type, and made Bond appropriate for our time by having Daniel Craig play the hero as if is like every man. I mean, why does the hero always have to be that old fashioned type? Why can't he be blond and muscular and not be into all that suave glamor stuff? Nobody really gets dressed up these days, I can tell you my generation is not into that stuff. That's why that other actor Cavill will be a flop if he plays Bond. That kind of look for a hero is obsolete. I know some people will say, "He's that Cary Grant type." C'mon, that actor Cary Grant is from my Grandfather's time, like 1950s. That's so old. It's all about Daniel Craig now.
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Post by FormerBondFan on Dec 28, 2010 22:31:47 GMT -5
CR is an awesome example of revolutionary filmmaking. I mean, Barbara Broccoli wiped out that old fashioned kind of hero, that tall dark handsome type, and made Bond appropriate for our time by having Daniel Craig play the hero as if is like every man. I mean, why does the hero always have to be that old fashioned type? Why can't he be blond and muscular and not be into all that suave glamor stuff? Nobody really gets dressed up these days, I can tell you my generation is not into that stuff. That's why that other actor Cavill will be a flop if he plays Bond. That kind of look for a hero is obsolete. I know some people will say, "He's that Cary Grant type." C'mon, that actor Cary Grant is from my Grandfather's time, like 1950s. That's so old. It's all about Daniel Craig now. If that's case, then I guess you should have no problem with Bond being black, having a ponytail, having a height of 7 feet, being played by a professional wrestler (a la WWE or UFC), or being played by this guy:
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Post by alessandra on Dec 28, 2010 23:42:53 GMT -5
Seriously? Alvin you just proved you know absolutely NOTHING about James Bond and about how James Bond should look. And for your information CARY GRANT was FLEMING's CHOICE to play Bond. Your post perfectly explains why you are in love with Daniel Craig. You are not a James Bond fan AT ALL, and you have absolutely no idea what Bond is about and what he should look like.
As far as people dressing up, people DO DRESS up. And far more so today than in the past. It simply doesn't happen in your social circle. You're in college and clearly not hanging out with those who throw fashionable parties, or you'd know that dressing up and charm, and suave and being a gentleman is luckily still VERY much in fashion. Bond is not supposed to be something for uneducated, unstylish masses. That's for the random action figures to portray. Bond is completely different from all others because he is TALL DARK HANDSOME EDUCATED STYLISH REFINED and a LADYKILLER. If you don't understand that, you are not supposed to watch Bond movies at all. There again, this perfectly explains why you're infatuated with Daniel Craig. You have no idea what James Bond is actually like.
Barbara Broccoli just had a CRUSH on Craig. She didn't revolution anything, she doesn't write anything for the movie or film anything. She is just an incompetent woman with a crush on a guy who had him picked, that is all there is to it.
Again, you clearly have zero idea who James Bond is and what James Bond is supposed to look like and act like. That is NOTHING like Daniel Craig. He's totally miscast. By the way, in case you haven't realized? Quantum of Solace didn't do nearly as well as the Craig fanboys try to paint it. And the DVD sales for it have SUCKED. With the production plus advertising costs they're still dealing with a LOSS for QoS. Zero profits for production. Those are facts and figures, not opinions. QoS is leaving the production company (MGM) with a loss. One of the reasons why things went the way they did. And you know why this happened with QoS? Because that WASN'T a Bond movie at all. They WAY overdid it with the Bourne angle, to the point Craig complained about it and clearly stated they need to get back to a much more traditional Bond movie with the next one.
So this also completely disproves what you just said. Even Craig KNOWS they need the traditional Bond (that means they need to get rid of this NON stylish part and get back to the stylish, suave, refined, witty) and has said he wants the next movie to be like it. Too bad he can't pull it off since he cannot do humor and he looks nothing like James Bond. But, even your hero is telling you that you're wrong.
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Post by John Drake on Dec 29, 2010 11:51:55 GMT -5
I do find it ironic that after Casino Royale people were saying the old Bond films with the staples are passe and can't be returned to. Well, QOS proved that the reboot and an offbeat minimalist take on James Bond was passe.
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Post by FormerBondFan on Dec 29, 2010 12:26:31 GMT -5
Well, QOS proved that the reboot and an offbeat minimalist take on James Bond was passe. And I'm glad it did.
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Post by alvin on Dec 29, 2010 17:37:56 GMT -5
Seriously? Alvin you just proved you know absolutely NOTHING about James Bond and about how James Bond should look. And for your information CARY GRANT was FLEMING's CHOICE to play Bond. Well I was never a big fan of the Bond films, I was more like a casual fan but then I got hooked like some many others when CR was released. As for all that hoopla about Cary Grant you mentioned, it doesn't really matter to me. You see, even though that writer guy Ian Fleming preferred him, it doesn't matter because all that was like 200 years ago. That's my grandfather's time, but now it's practically 2011 and all that stuff you mentioned is from another time, even obsolete. I was watching a movie last night called Brooklyn's Finest starring Richard Gere and a bunch of other stars and nobody there was that Cary Grant type. I mean, the way they appeared in the movie, they all looked like "regular" people, nothing in that glamour-boy style of a Cary Grant. That's every day reality and that's what Daniel Craig now brings to the Bond films. I think that's hyperbole on your part. I'm just a big Daniel Craig fan, and he has caught on with the public. I mean, just look at that poll you posted here the other day and how Daniel is beating Jude Law in that poll. I believe Barbara Broccoli saw a kind of appeal in Daniel that no other actor has. Do you remember how at the other major forums how the fans reacted when he was cast? That was the other game changer for me. I mean, I sensed this massive support for him, and it was deeply moving to see a lot of those fans change their minds and give in to Daniel Craig. You see, Daniel Craig has a way of touching the soul of men. I remember one guy at one of those major forums who went wild when he saw the first teaser poster for CR and he admitted that he practically wet his pants in excitement. That's what I'm talking about. Daniel has a way to reach the inner self of men and force them to confront themselves and go through self-actualization. I don't think a guy like Henry Cavill can do that. I believe Barbara Broccoli wanted to shake things up in the series, shatter all those old cliches of heros and what that ian Fleming writer had in mind because it's all old stuff. You know, I looked at those old Bond novels and found them offensive. I mean, there's racist stuff in them books, so my liberal arts professor showed me some critical reviews of those books at that time and I learned that Ian Fleming was attacked by the critics. But today, these are progressive times, and Barbara Broccoli wants to get away from all that stuff. Those books aren't even classic literature anyway and most people don't even know they exist. So it's time to just remove the series from all that archaic stuff, don't even address what that Ian Fleming guy had in mind because it's all obsolete. I think Barbara Broccoli's done a fantastic job recreating the series and addressing social justice and political correctness for today's audience. I'm skeptical of those sales figures because I wonder if they include the revenues from other lesser known countries, marginalized countries. I bet if you take into account the box office figures and the DVD sales figures in countries like Ukraine or Albania, it would be a different story. Those countries are marginalized and are ignored by the media. All that other stuff you mentioned about QOS sucking big time and that it was too much like Bourne, well all that can be fixed (although I really liked QOS a lot). That's why Sam Mendes is directing the next one, he's just too artsy and he'll bring more revolutionary filmmaking in Bond 23. CR got a lot of BAFTA awards, so Bond 23 should do the same and may be even win Academy Awards.
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Post by alvin on Dec 29, 2010 17:43:30 GMT -5
CR is an awesome example of revolutionary filmmaking. I mean, Barbara Broccoli wiped out that old fashioned kind of hero, that tall dark handsome type, and made Bond appropriate for our time by having Daniel Craig play the hero as if is like every man. I mean, why does the hero always have to be that old fashioned type? Why can't he be blond and muscular and not be into all that suave glamor stuff? Nobody really gets dressed up these days, I can tell you my generation is not into that stuff. That's why that other actor Cavill will be a flop if he plays Bond. That kind of look for a hero is obsolete. I know some people will say, "He's that Cary Grant type." C'mon, that actor Cary Grant is from my Grandfather's time, like 1950s. That's so old. It's all about Daniel Craig now. If that's case, then I guess you should have no problem with Bond being black, having a ponytail, having a height of 7 feet, being played by a professional wrestler (a la WWE or UFC). I'm talking about realism within the framework of the character. It wouldn't be realistic to have a spy that's 7 feet tall because he would obviously stand out and his enemies can quickly spot him. But let's say Eon did something like that and cast someone as you described, then I'll admit it would be weird to see a James Bond like that but then I would reserve full judgement until I see the movie. I would give Eon a chance and see for myself why they made such a casting decision. As for that image you posted, I don't think you realize you're making fun of that person or his culture. Let's not marginalize that person.
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Post by FormerBondFan on Dec 29, 2010 18:35:34 GMT -5
As for that image you posted, I don't think you realize you're making fun of that person or his culture. Let's not marginalize that person. I'm not making a fun of him but rather thought if you accept DC as then you would accept the person in that picture. Again, I guess that you don't mind Bond having ponytail or being black.
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Post by FormerBondFan on Dec 29, 2010 18:37:45 GMT -5
CR got a lot of BAFTA awards, so Bond 23 should do the same and may be even win Academy Awards. Bond 23 (with DC) may get as much as BAFTAs as those minions, but it doesn't deserve an Oscar nomination, NOT EVEN ONE...........great or not.
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