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Post by Stockslivevan on Nov 29, 2008 4:07:44 GMT -5
Tear up the triology idea They already did by cutting off the original ending that was supposed to put Bond in a similar situation like at the end of the FRWL book. IMO, I hope they keep this idea for future films. Which "G" are we referring? As for TWINE, I hope not, that was utterly boring and by the numbers. I agree with that. I didn't think an overabundance on humor was appropriate for the context of a revenge film like QOS. LTK handled that in a similar manner and I thought that worked well, whether audiences in 1989 accepting that or not is a different subject. Either way, I don't think humor should be the primary objection. After all they were initially added into the early Bond flicks to ease audiences after thrilling moments, not give them a hoot on every other line. Bond films should be action-thrillers, not action-comedies. I'm sure he can, the bits of humor in QOS, especially CR worked. With Bond being "complete" after the two-part arc, I think there will be a more relaxed performance. In recent interviews Craig has been shown to be anxious for working on the next flick. In a separate interview a few months back he was asked what type of classic Bond flick he would like to do and his answer was Goldfinger. I can't remember where that interview is, but I'll post it up when I manage to find it.  |
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Post by adam on Nov 29, 2008 4:43:01 GMT -5
I was referring more to Goldeneye. That was popular and acclaimed by fans and critics. It's also quite recent. TWINE is no better or worse than the other Brosnan films & was popular. It is also less than ten years old.
Goldfinger is hailed as the best of them all by many but is 44 years old. Trying to make a similar type film maybe hard. Goldfinger is also quite outlandish, with a supervillan, 'Odd Job' and Fort Knox.
Here is hopeing there will be some humour in the next film. Eon claim their trying to make a more realistic, serious and sensitive Bond. That does'nt mean they can't insert some fun.
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Post by Stockslivevan on Nov 29, 2008 15:16:53 GMT -5
You're right on GE, it's faired pretty well in its 13 year life. Not only was it a comeback for Bond flicks in cinemas but it also has a hit video game behind its back (which oddly gets more praise than the film itself!). I don't see how TND, TWINE or especially DAD are even close to that level of success. Box office wise, yes, but their lasting appeal hasn't matched GE's.
Even back during Brosnan's era, I recall a lot of bad comments on TND and TWINE and this was only months before DAD. That GE was Brosnan's only good flick and there were a lot of hopes that DAD would be the new TSWLM with the whole OTT/outlandish stuff being present. Initially it was well received despite a lot of disdain from hardcore fans, yet I noticed it's popularity quickly died down dramatically, probably because a lot of fans/causal movie goers had that anniversary hype out of their system. And this was all before Craig/CR, hell it was even before Brosnan announced that he quit the role in 2004. Lots of folk believe this will happen with QOS, but we'll see on the long run. It ain't over till it's over.
Anyway, a GoldenEye-type wouldn't be bad. My only big complaint on that flick is the lack of Dalton. Just thinking of Dalton and Bean going at it sounds exciting, would have cranked up the emotional element with his caliber. Would it have been as successful with him? I think so. A six year gap really did the trick that no matter which actor took on the role, people would have been anxious to see the return of Bond in cinema screens. Would have been a nice comeback for Dalton while at the same time be his own "defining" flick.
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Post by poirot on Nov 29, 2008 16:43:39 GMT -5
More light hearted yet not too far from the darker aspects, and GoldenEye happened to be that kind of mix hence that it was originally scripted as a Dalton film before he quit. You've mentioned the original GE quite a bit, but what are your thoughts on the earlier Dalton film that was scrapped? (The one with the robotic stuff.) |
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Post by Stockslivevan on Nov 29, 2008 17:37:17 GMT -5
More light hearted yet not too far from the darker aspects, and GoldenEye happened to be that kind of mix hence that it was originally scripted as a Dalton film before he quit. You've mentioned the original GE quite a bit, but what are your thoughts on the earlier Dalton film that was scrapped? (The one with the robotic stuff.) Haven't read that one, but I dislike what I've heard, especially with the robotic henchman. Thankfully EON scrapped it. |
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Post by skywalker on Nov 30, 2008 17:13:25 GMT -5
Following a mix of both positive and negative reviews, I finally decided to watch the latest Bond movie ‘Quantum of Solace’. Although I’ve been openly critical of Casino Royale and of the choice of lead actor in the past, I was fully prepared to wipe away any pre-conceived doubts and fears that had risen during the build up to the films release. So with popcorn at the ready I sat down in preparation along with 7 other people to see for myself if Daniel Craig’s latest adventure would finally win me over.
The film picks up from the end of Casino Royale with Bond involved in a high speed pursuit with the captured Mr White in the boot of his stylish Aston Martin. Unfortunately, the great choice of location and brilliant stunt work was painfully ruined by director Marc Forster’s truly awful camera shots that removed any flow or tension to what should and could have been a very impressive pre title sequence. Following on from the car chase, Bond arrives at his chosen location and cue the title track which after initially dismissing it, I actually found it to be a pretty decent Bond theme.
The plot revolves around an angry and violent Bond seeking revenge for the death of his former partner Vesper Lynd. The death of Lynd had badly affected him and the focus of his revenge was the Quantum organisation and in particular Dominic Greene (played by Mathieu Amalric). With locations in Austria, Panama and Italy coupled with some authentic set pieces, the film had a nice feel to it, yet the direction by Marc Forster was far from nice. Forsters over reliance on ‘jumpy-cam’ badly affected pretty much every action scene in Quantum of Solace and given that the basis of the film was heavily action orientated, the film really suffers.
The suave, sophisticated and charming Bond of the previous 20 films is sadly a distant memory and has ultimately been replaced by a dour, gloomy, killing machine in Daniel Craig’s version. This new style and direction is more akin to the Bourne series of films yet ultimately lacks the edge of Bourne and doesn’t come close to delivering the right balance between all out action and the vulnerability that is perfectly delivered by Keifer Sutherland’s ‘Jack Bauer’. At times, the almost constant cold killing was reminiscent of watching the Terminator. Un-reasonable, lacking emotion and almost program like in terms of getting the job done.
To summarize the film, I would say Quantum of Solace delivers an all action and generally humorless Bond film. Gone are the gadgets and touch of class which used to accompany all Bond films only to be replaced by a cold and often lifeless Jason Bourne clone.
For me the series is now at an all time low. A James Bond movie used to be the trend setter and had it’s own unique and enjoyable style, yet this current direction and style tries too hard to copy the successful formula employed by the Bourne, Bauer and McClain characters yet fails to reach the same levels. I find it so hard to truly believe that Daniel Craig’s Bond can be so raw and juvenile yet look so old.
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Post by adam on Nov 30, 2008 19:20:37 GMT -5
Seems like a lot of people wanted Dalton to star in G. If Dalton had starred in G, Brosnan may of been considered too old to be Bond in the late 90's. He was 42 in 1995. Everyone would have then said about the potential great Bond that never was (Brosnan).
If Dalton was going to hang around for the 90's & star in G, maybe Brosnan could have played the Sean Bean role.
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Post by poirot on Nov 30, 2008 21:44:06 GMT -5
I wanted Dalton to continue back in 1994, but ultimately, I think Brosnan was a better fit for GE. It wasn't just a matter of the series having taken a six year hiatus. For all intents and purposes, it felt like Bond had been away since TLD.
Aside from a publicity tour for each film, Dalton's Bond didn't really get much exposure. This wasn't helped by the poor marketing campaign for LTK. Moore and Brosnan both had fans, but I don't remember anyone (at the time) ever sharing my interest in Dalton's portrayal.
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Post by Stockslivevan on Dec 1, 2008 0:43:34 GMT -5
Seems like a lot of people wanted Dalton to star in G. If Dalton had starred in G, Brosnan may of been considered too old to be Bond in the late 90's. He was 42 in 1995. Everyone would have then said about the potential great Bond that never was (Brosnan). If Dalton was going to hang around for the 90's & star in G, maybe Brosnan could have played the Sean Bean role. I would have kept Sean Bean, he has more screen presence and stole every scene from Brosnan. Then again I'd actually cast someone else as Treveylan (I'll get more into that soon) However, I might have stuck closer to the original GE script and cast an older actor like Anthony Hopkins as Agustas Trevelyan, who was supposed to be Bond's very first M, before the one we know played by Bernard Lee, who betrayed Bond and killed two 00-Agents who attempted to rescue him without knowing that he actually defected to Soviet Russia. More of the father/son thing as opposed to the brothers angle the used in the final product. In fact, one of the biggest errors in GE was that Sean Bean was actually too young for the role. It's stated in the very movie that he was a child during the end of WWII and witnessed the Enlglish betray Lienz Cossacks by sending them to their death in Soviet Russia. He would have had to be in his late 50s, which was how old Hopkins was at the time. Yet they cast Sean Bean at the age of 36. |
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Post by 009 on Dec 1, 2008 5:39:26 GMT -5
Following a mix of both positive and negative reviews, I finally decided to watch the latest Bond movie ‘Quantum of Solace’. Although I’ve been openly critical of Casino Royale and of the choice of lead actor in the past, I was fully prepared to wipe away any pre-conceived doubts and fears that had risen during the build up to the films release. So with popcorn at the ready I sat down in preparation along with 7 other people to see for myself if Daniel Craig’s latest adventure would finally win me over. The film picks up from the end of Casino Royale with Bond involved in a high speed pursuit with the captured Mr White in the boot of his stylish Aston Martin. Unfortunately, the great choice of location and brilliant stunt work was painfully ruined by director Marc Forster’s truly awful camera shots that removed any flow or tension to what should and could have been a very impressive pre title sequence. Following on from the car chase, Bond arrives at his chosen location and cue the title track which after initially dismissing it, I actually found it to be a pretty decent Bond theme. The plot revolves around an angry and violent Bond seeking revenge for the death of his former partner Vesper Lynd. The death of Lynd had badly affected him and the focus of his revenge was the Quantum organisation and in particular Dominic Greene (played by Mathieu Amalric). With locations in Austria, Panama and Italy coupled with some authentic set pieces, the film had a nice feel to it, yet the direction by Marc Forster was far from nice. Forsters over reliance on ‘jumpy-cam’ badly affected pretty much every action scene in Quantum of Solace and given that the basis of the film was heavily action orientated, the film really suffers. The suave, sophisticated and charming Bond of the previous 20 films is sadly a distant memory and has ultimately been replaced by a dour, gloomy, killing machine in Daniel Craig’s version. This new style and direction is more akin to the Bourne series of films yet ultimately lacks the edge of Bourne and doesn’t come close to delivering the right balance between all out action and the vulnerability that is perfectly delivered by Keifer Sutherland’s ‘Jack Bauer’. At times, the almost constant cold killing was reminiscent of watching the Terminator. Un-reasonable, lacking emotion and almost program like in terms of getting the job done. To summarize the film, I would say Quantum of Solace delivers an all action and generally humorless Bond film. Gone are the gadgets and touch of class which used to accompany all Bond films only to be replaced by a cold and often lifeless Jason Bourne clone. For me the series is now at an all time low. A James Bond movie used to be the trend setter and had it’s own unique and enjoyable style, yet this current direction and style tries too hard to copy the successful formula employed by the Bourne, Bauer and McClain characters yet fails to reach the same levels. I find it so hard to truly believe that Daniel Craig’s Bond can be so raw and juvenile yet look so old. Good review. I have Bourne, McClain and Bauer to watch. It would be nice to watch Bond again too. |
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Post by adam on Dec 1, 2008 13:22:42 GMT -5
I think BB wanted Sean Bean as Bond, but Cubby was still around in the 90's and choose Brosnan. Bean got the consolation prise of being 009. Anthony Hopkins would have been a great baddie. Or a great 'M'. Tom Cruise thought so and cast him in MI2
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Post by skywalker on Dec 1, 2008 14:41:46 GMT -5
I think BB wanted Sean Bean as Bond, but Cubby was still around in the 90's and choose Brosnan. Bean got the consolation prise of being 009. Anthony Hopkins would have been a great baddie. Or a great 'M'. Tom Cruise thought so and cast him in MI2 Sean was excellent in Goldeneye and although not right for Bond would make a better 007 than Daniel Craig. For me Sean is iconic and one of my favourite actors. I'm a big fan of Sharpe!!! |
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Post by drfanshawe on Dec 4, 2008 14:20:58 GMT -5
I would have had no problems with Sean Bean as James Bond in GoldenEye. As far as craggy, blonde under six foot choices for Bond go, he is acceptable.  Barbara Broccoli likes to cast blonde craggy types as Bond so it will be interesting to see of she casts that type in future. |
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Post by Ranjit 007 on Dec 16, 2008 14:39:25 GMT -5
I think Daniel Craig can make a good Bond outing but Quantum of Solace was not it.
It's so joyless, and he is so miserable.
Bond 23 will be much, much lighter. I'm certain of that.
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Post by Stockslivevan on Dec 17, 2008 0:21:46 GMT -5
It's the only logical course to take.
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