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Post by Mr Lemon on Feb 11, 2013 12:16:30 GMT -5
Skyfall was bad. There I've said it.
Why does everyone think it was great???
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Post by harrypalmer on Feb 26, 2013 11:30:45 GMT -5
It is puzzling. Maybe Bond films are successful after a hiatus (Goldeneye, Casino Royale). There are lots of people who thought it was average so we are not insane! ;D
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Post by Mr Lemon on Mar 2, 2013 19:35:12 GMT -5
It is puzzling. Maybe Bond films are successful after a hiatus (Goldeneye, Casino Royale). There are lots of people who thought it was average so we are not insane! ;D I watched Skyfall and it was nothing special. Yet everybody went crazy over it. People probably just like bond films.
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Favourite James Bond Films: The Dark Knight Trilogy, Mission: Impossible and any upcoming action films starring Pierce Brosnan (no, it's not James Bond which is good because he'll need it to expand his reputation as an actor, especially in the action realm)
Favourite Films: Star Wars, Indiana Jones, Star Trek, The Dark Knight Trilogy, Harry Potter, Middle-Earth, The Matrix, Mission: Impossible
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Post by FormerBondFan on Mar 3, 2013 10:55:49 GMT -5
Yet everybody went crazy over it. People probably just like bond films. I don't know about you, but if the general public are buying into DC as Bond, then they can into anyone as Bond regardless of appearance.
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Post by mh4213 on Mar 5, 2013 12:29:16 GMT -5
I like Bond because it is entertaining. Skyfall was so boring, maybe that is what movie fans want today.
Pierce gets abuse for his Bond films but they were entertaining with lots of action and fun.
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Post by Cpt. Sir Dominic Flandry on Aug 29, 2013 10:41:58 GMT -5
Yet everybody went crazy over it. People probably just like bond films. I don't know about you, but if the general public are buying into DC as Bond, then they can into anyone as Bond regardless of appearance. Cubby Broccoli always had tall handsome actors with black hair in mind for Bond such as pierce and Tim and the likes of Michael Billington. Craig looks like any ordinary person you'd see in the street.
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Post by chuck007 on Aug 30, 2013 12:46:45 GMT -5
I don't know about you, but if the general public are buying into DC as Bond, then they can into anyone as Bond regardless of appearance. Cubby Broccoli always had tall handsome actors with black hair in mind for Bond such as pierce and Tim and the likes of Michael Billington. Craig looks like any ordinary person you'd see in the street. you want a secret agent with pretty boy looking and cannot even fight or acting (Brosnan) ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Post by chuck007 on Aug 30, 2013 12:48:14 GMT -5
I like Bond because it is entertaining. Skyfall was so boring, maybe that is what movie fans want today. Pierce gets abuse for his Bond films but they were entertaining with lots of action and fun. Pierce get abuse for his own awful acting ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D what is fun watching pain face and a stupid pretty boy face??? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Post by tn3000 on Sept 3, 2013 19:58:35 GMT -5
I like Bond because it is entertaining. Skyfall was so boring, maybe that is what movie fans want today. Pierce gets abuse for his Bond films but they were entertaining with lots of action and fun. Pierce get abuse for his own awful acting ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D what is fun watching pain face and a stupid pretty boy face??? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D You have no idea what you are talking about. how old are you? 12? listen here sunshine, Ian Fleming and Cubby Broccoli had a specific type and style of man to fit the Bond profile and guess what DC isn't it. Every actor that was chosen prior to DC fit the image and that's what made them James Bond. Daniel Craig looks like a walnut with charisma. He is not a gentleman spy, he looks, is and acts like a common street thug. lets not even get into his homosexual tendencies. He is Jason Bourne's retarded brother. Seriously, your avatar says it all - you are a clown.
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Post by John P. Drake on Sept 3, 2013 20:04:51 GMT -5
Oh boy, here we go. Looks like someone didn't learn how to shut up. What is it, clown? You haven't jumped off the roof yet? I thought you loved that sort of emoism. Why don't you go back to your basement and stick there? tn3000: well said, sir. Well said.
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Post by tn3000 on Sept 3, 2013 20:44:29 GMT -5
Oh boy, here we go. Looks like someone didn't learn how to shut up. What is it, clown? You haven't jumped off the roof yet? I thought you loved that sort of emoism. Why don't you go back to your basement and stick there? tn3000: well said, sir. Well said. Thanks John. I just don't get how PB with such a broad collection of works and 20 years + experience can be considered a bad actor when compared to that wooden reptile with the personality of a cardboard box, Daniel Craig? Seriously, I tried to be objective and watched DC to see for myself (not at the cinema), I watched Casino Royale and it went downhill right from the start - it opens up in a bathroom (of all places) then the messy kill that occurs to get his oo status (as if an experienced spy, especially JB would kill in such a fashion), he runs through a wall, he comes out of the beach and his ears are see through, then he cries like a little bitch, etc and it was a boring film to top it off. Then I gave QOS a go, I'm not even going to waste my time on that one. And my thoughts on Skyfall, it should change its name to Skyfail.
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Post by John P. Drake on Sept 4, 2013 0:33:41 GMT -5
Oh boy, here we go. Looks like someone didn't learn how to shut up. What is it, clown? You haven't jumped off the roof yet? I thought you loved that sort of emoism. Why don't you go back to your basement and stick there? tn3000: well said, sir. Well said. Thanks John. I just don't get how PB with such a broad collection of works and 20 years + experience can be considered a bad actor when compared to that wooden reptile with the personality of a cardboard box, Daniel Craig? Seriously, I tried to be objective and watched DC to see for myself (not at the cinema), I watched Casino Royale and it went downhill right from the start - it opens up in a bathroom (of all places) then the messy kill that occurs to get his oo status (as if an experienced spy, especially JB would kill in such a fashion), he runs through a wall, he comes out of the beach and his ears are see through, then he cries like a little bitch, etc and it was a boring film to top it off. Then I gave QOS a go, I'm not even going to waste my time on that one. And my thoughts on Skyfall, it should change its name to Skyfail. Get this man trophy at once!!! Damn well said, TN3000. Well, since this is the right place, I re-post my Shite-fall review in here: "Ok, here we go. Skyfall... what was it supposed to be standing for? When you hear the title, you think it's a movie related to apocalytic elements, which might seem exciting when you find it serving as the title of a James Bond film. You'd think there's a supervillain out there preparing to use a Weapon of Mass Destruction to end the human race on earth, which sounds completely suitable for the Bond formula. However, instead, what do you get? A so-called "Shakespearean" soap opera set in 21st Century. Is that so? Quite. What does the title stand for? An abandoned lodge in the middle of nowhere in Scotland. Does that sound good idea to you? Might be. Did it actually sound good to you? Of course not. The movie was completely pointless and very bad written. Script full of boredom and flaws right from the start of the movie. Okay, I will admit that the pre-title sequence was a great one, but it lost the plot straight after the main title sequence. How? I'll tell you how. Skyfall combines three incomplete short stories into one. Such as, an important MI6 hard-drive containing the names of every undercover agent who infiltrated world-wide terrorist organizations, has been stolen. Really? All those top secret classified information would be placed in one single hard drive which is found in a very unimportant laptop? This is a humiliation to the real-life MI6 (or rather the SIS), nobody would be ever that incompetent except for street gangs dealing with drugs or that kind of stuff in the black market. But, an espionage agency? That's absurd. Alright, back to topic, as I was saying, the hard drive gets stolen by a French burglar called Patrice. During the pursuit, M goes impatience and orders her field agent to try and shoot Patrice, as he was clashing with Bond on the train. The headmaster, in real-life, relied on his or her agent as they were ought to accomplish the task, but as to make up the story incoherently, they wanted Bond dead, so they wrote in the script as M yells ordering the field agent to squeeze the trigger, which was supposed to be hitting Patrice, but gets Bond as the victim. That kind of failure would have cost the field agent his or her career. But, no. As they would have loved to come up with an amateur rushed up storyline, they just narrated it a way three year old girl does what it takes to make her dad get her an ice cream. Alright. What next? Bond is alive. How did he survive? Unexplained. How would MI6 allow him to come back to duty after three months of absence without reporting and disappearing like a coward which is considered a treason in real life? We don't know. After failing his re-evaluation like hell, why did M have to lie to overall espionage director about 007's failure? Makes a complete nonsene in there. Anyway, the second verse of the story comes now, as we see Bond pursuing Patrice once again, who's now doing the job of an assassion. Wait. Wasn't he supposed to be a burglar? How did he become an assassin suddenly? Sigh... I wish I could explain. Perhaps he has some sort of profession we're not even aware of. And as we keep watching the movie, we see that there's no mention of the hard drive at all, they moved on on another story. In the process, Bond meets Severine who takes him to her employer, wishing 007 to assassinate him because he treater her like a sex slave. She's relying on Bond, now, who just uses her for his own pleasures after finding out she was raped in her entire life. How humane. Then, he confronts her employer, Raoul Silva, who suddenly knows what's going on all over the world with his skills of a cyber crime. Then, some inapporpriate dialogue has been taken place between the two, which makes a sane man irritated, including me. Then, Silva goes and kills Severine for "exposing" him in front of Bond, just as the latter breaks free (as if he was held captive) and shoots Silva's amateur gang, eventually capturing him with the aid of MI6 assault teams. Okay, earlier we've been told that Severine relied on him who promised her her own freedom. Why didn't he react before she was assassinated? The situation did not differ for him. But why didn't he react? I have no idea. Like I said, the three year old girl theory would do. Now, a new story verse comes around. The villain is plotting to assassinate M. Oh, really? After all these pointless and pathetic drama, that was the villain's plan? Just because the so-called "new quartermaster" was incompetent and oversmarted, the whole MI6 security was broken, once again. Really? Silva was THAT dangerous? Then how come he let himself captured by the Chinese when he was once working for MI6 a long ago? Now, we know he blames M for it. But, why all this drama? He could have hired an amateur sniper to shoot her in the head from a long distance. It's not a hard thing. But, what threat did it represent? None at all. They take out M? Bill Tanner runs MI6 for a short time until a new M would be baptized. Full of rubbish shown throughout the movie. Then, after an unsuccessful attack by Silva, Bond abducts M to Scotland, heading to his childhood home, the Skyfall lodge. The lodge the movie was named after. Bond meets up with the gamekeeper, Kincaid, who taught him how to shoot when he was a kid as said on the screen. Then, they set up traps all over the lodge, which sounds exactly like it's been scrapped from an unreleased "Home Alone" movie script. Silva attacks the lodge with heavily-armed mercenaries. What? No backup team coming from MI6? Bond is supposed to fight on his own? Really? How professional those screenwriters are. The headmaster is kidnapped, wouldn't MI6 be concerned about it? They knew where she was taken, and they could have acted like they lured Silva into trap. Why they didn't do that? I can never tell. And after all those Michael Bay's World End explosions taking place around the lodge, Silva finally gets to M and attempts to shoot her just in time Bond arrives late and stabs Silva in the back. Wow. No boss fight during the climax. That's it? A knife in the back. Okay, Silva's gone, now. But, so does M as an earlier wound leads her to her own demise. Mission Failed, Mr. Bond. You failed to protect your superior. What more should I say? He cries like a girl over M's corpse. What an unmanly and intolerable behaviour! Back in the old days, Bond was a man for all seasons, and an unstoppable superspy who saves the world, kills every supervillain, cracks jokes, and flirts with countless breathtaking ladies. Oh, wait, that was the Classic Bond. That sounds "hideous" for the modern audience who prefer to see a Twilight movie with a homosexual protagonist trying to act like an eye candy for pathetic and brainless Justin Gayber supporting teen girls. This "modern" Bond portrayed by Daniel Craig and created by Barbara Broccoli would be appealing to the general modern audience. They expect me to like it? I would really love it when I see Martians coming to invade the Earth. Back to topic, what was the movie about? Skyfall? What is it? a lodge? what did it have to do with anything? Just as if a part of the climax was taken place in there, should I name "Dr. No", "Crab Key" because the climax was taken place in there? All I have to do is to sigh. After that kind of failure, MI6 would have fired Bond in real-life, or imprisoned him in the Tower of London because of his earlier treason. But, here it is, this is Barbara Broccoli's phylosiphically artsy universe where political correctness and emotional dilemmas are appreciated. One thing I have forgot to talk about... why is that pre-title sequence field agent called Moneypenny? Eve Moneypenny? The Moneypenny we knew was named Jane, not Eve, and she was a secretary from the start in the SIS secretarial pool, not a field agent. What do the teens call it? Oh yes, EPIC FAIL! Pointless movie, two and half hour long headache which could destroy any sane man's brain." There, all being said.
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Post by tn3000 on Sept 4, 2013 0:57:29 GMT -5
Excellent observations and points John. The whole damn story just doesn't gel together. The best thing this story had to offer (in my opinion) was killing off that chipmunk faced M. Notice how M was stern but different in the PB movies and came across just downright crazy and illogical in the DC films? I'll tell you why, poor character development on QBB part to make the supporting cast look insane to draw the attention away from the idiotic methods used by DC's Bond.
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Post by John P. Drake on Sept 4, 2013 1:13:02 GMT -5
Excellent observations and points John. The whole damn story just doesn't gel together. The best thing this story had to offer (in my opinion) was killing off that chipmunk faced M. Notice how M was stern but different in the PB movies and came across just downright crazy and illogical in the DC films? I'll tell you why, poor character development on QBB part to make the supporting cast look insane to draw the attention away from the idiotic methods used by DC's Bond. Very well said, mate. Very well said. You gave the best definition on the overall performances since this crappy reboot. Just look at M! "It would be pretty cold bastard who didn't want to avenge someone he loved". WTF?! Where's her professionalism?! In duty there are no bloody sweethearts. It's not just business either. It's duty. Patriotism. An agent is just a weapon for Her Majesty's Government, nothing more. But look at how professional M was in the PB movies, when the admiral said "With all due respect, M. I think you don't have the balls to handle this job" and she responded wisely "perhaps, but I don't have to think with it all the time". That line cracks me up. She was so damn professional. Not some mother figure to a wimpy kid. Well, that's the modern audience, they would never understand it, could never tell the right from the wrong, which, of course is very pathetic.
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Post by mh4213 on Sept 5, 2013 5:58:54 GMT -5
It was weird how Judi Dench was the M in the Pierce Bonds then carried on as M in the Craig Bonds which were supposed to be origin stories.
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