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Post by smartboy on Aug 8, 2008 12:54:30 GMT -5
They think because youve got a few muscles your a hard man, thease people aint bond fans, there idiots!
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Post by Alec 006 on Aug 9, 2008 1:54:56 GMT -5
Hello,
I'm starting to think more and more like 'FormerBondFan'!
The only reason Pierce's 007 didn't come across as meaner and more aggressive was the writer's and producers fault!
In 'GoldenEye'...007 drops former close friend and MI6 agent 006 Alec Trevelyan / Yannis to his death.
Pierce also really flexes his muscles and his bad-a#$ attitude in 'Tomorrow Never Dies' when he shot Dr. Kauffman point blank...and also telling media mogul Elliot Carver:
"You forgot the first rule of media, Elliott...GIVE THE PUBLIC WHAT THEY WANT!!!"
Brosnan then shoves Carver into the shredder.
"The World Is Not Enough"...Brosnan tells the banker, whilst holding his Walther PPK to the man's temple:
"I'm going to count to three...you can do that, can't you?"
Electra: "You wouldn't shoot me, you'd miss me!"
Bond shoots Electra King point blank.
Bond: "I never miss."
'Nuff said! ;D
Take Care!
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Post by adam on Aug 9, 2008 4:37:39 GMT -5
In TWINE Brosnan walks into the casino and starts throwing his weight around with the bodyguards. You can't get any tougher than that.
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Post by adam on Aug 9, 2008 4:41:21 GMT -5
It seems that LTK & QOS are both revenge stories. However LTK had a simply story, - Bond catches baddie, Baddie escapes and gets revenge on Felix Lighter. Bond hunts down the baddie.
I was pretty lost by the end of Casino Royle. I won't know what's what by the beginning of QOS, let alone the end. Which will ruin my enjoyment. That's if I go and see it.
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Post by poirot on Aug 9, 2008 11:46:13 GMT -5
There are two scenes in TND that sum up Brosnan's Bond perfectly. The first is the aforementioned moment where Dr. Kauffman tells Bond: "Please, I'm just a professional doing a job." Bond then shoots him point blank and says: "So am I."
The second is when Bond is leaving Carver's office in Hamburg, and pauses just long enough to knock over his million dollar satellite. He'd previously overheard how expensive it was, and couldn't pass up the chance to break it. ;D
Both of these illustrate why Brosnan was such a popular Bond, and why he was frequently hailed as the best since Connery during his tenure. He allowed the audience to see the flashes of cruelty in the character, but didn't make it his entire performance.
We see this in GE when he coldly talks about 006 on the beach. Or early in the film, when he quickly takes out an assailant using only a towel. The latter is a violent moment worthy of Jason Bourne, but Brosnan performs it with trademark class and style. Another great example is the Bilbao scene in TWINE- as Bond is eager to avenge a fallen agent.
Brosnan also made playing Bond seem like fun. Much like Connery and Moore, you could tell that he was having a good time in the role. He has a childlike glee when controlling the car in TND, or when taking a moment to enjoy Q's x-ray glasses in TWINE.
Despite being criticized as too "infallible", Brosnan was arguably the most fallible Bond yet. He was frequently betrayed by friends and lovers, and constantly found himself taking missions a little too personally. You can't fault the actor if the producers want to detract from the drama by putting him in an invisible car.
Brosnan should've been allowed to continue for a couple more films, but his legacy is secure nonetheless. The public doesn't watch Bond movies over and over because they're considered great cinema. They watch because they're entertaining. And Brosnan's films capture the spirit of the Connery/Moore era far better than Craig is currently doing. This is why I think the Brosnan films will get far more airplay during future Bond marathons than those of Dalton or Craig.
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Post by adam on Aug 10, 2008 4:33:48 GMT -5
Brosnan really did'nt have any faults during his tenure. Loved all the other previous Bonds. However they all had their faults, Connery wore a toupee and was slightly out of shape/demotivated in some films. Moore was too old in at least one film. Lazenby had his voice dubbed and had no acting experience & Dalton was considered too serious. Brosnan did'nt have any of these faults. He could do humour, be serious, be tough, be sensitive. He was handsome, had the Bond look and kept his body in tip top nick. He loved being Bond and embraced the media attention. Never heard anyone say he was too infallible before. He injured his shoulder & was tortured by Electra in TWINE. He was tortured again for 6 months in DAD. So for me, definatly not infallible.
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Favourite James Bond Films: The Dark Knight Trilogy, Mission: Impossible and any upcoming action films starring Pierce Brosnan (no, it's not James Bond which is good because he'll need it to expand his reputation as an actor, especially in the action realm)
Favourite Films: Star Wars, Indiana Jones, Star Trek, The Dark Knight Trilogy, Harry Potter, Middle-Earth, The Matrix, Mission: Impossible
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Post by FormerBondFan on Aug 10, 2008 11:45:29 GMT -5
He was frequently betrayed by friends and lovers, and constantly found himself taking missions a little too personally. You don't see this in Sean Connery's Bonds or Roger Moore's, but I could be wrong though. |
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Favourite James Bond Films: The Dark Knight Trilogy, Mission: Impossible and any upcoming action films starring Pierce Brosnan (no, it's not James Bond which is good because he'll need it to expand his reputation as an actor, especially in the action realm)
Favourite Films: Star Wars, Indiana Jones, Star Trek, The Dark Knight Trilogy, Harry Potter, Middle-Earth, The Matrix, Mission: Impossible
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Post by FormerBondFan on Aug 10, 2008 11:50:55 GMT -5
Since DC's a 6th James Bond and 6 is an evil number, does that explain why DC's legacy is cursed?
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Post by alex on Aug 10, 2008 12:13:46 GMT -5
Since DC's a 6th James Bond and 6 is an evil number, does that explain why DC's legacy is cursed? Only if you are incredibly superstitious. I don't think the film is really cursed. |
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Post by poirot on Aug 10, 2008 12:46:25 GMT -5
Never heard anyone say he was too infallible before. Actually, I don't think anyone ever did while he was Bond. It's just one of those silly criticisms that suddenly appeared after Craig was cast. Those are some good points about why Brosnan was considered such a great Bond. He basically did everything that was asked of him by EON, and everything you could expect as a fan. All of the previous actors grew tired of the role and considered quitting at various points in their contract. Brosnan is the only one who maintained an enthusiasm for the job to the very end. |
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Favourite James Bond Films: The Dark Knight Trilogy, Mission: Impossible and any upcoming action films starring Pierce Brosnan (no, it's not James Bond which is good because he'll need it to expand his reputation as an actor, especially in the action realm)
Favourite Films: Star Wars, Indiana Jones, Star Trek, The Dark Knight Trilogy, Harry Potter, Middle-Earth, The Matrix, Mission: Impossible
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Post by FormerBondFan on Aug 10, 2008 16:10:23 GMT -5
Brosnan is the only one who maintained an enthusiasm for the job to the very end. Pierce said that he didn't like the Bond scripts he received. |
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Post by brookystreet on Aug 23, 2008 8:03:41 GMT -5
The only problem I have with CR/QOS is the whole reboot. It's as if old Bond is gone forever. I still have my random made-up continuity which I watch my Bond films so that CR fits in though ;D
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Post by Cpt. Sir Dominic Flandry on Aug 25, 2008 5:25:34 GMT -5
The only problem I have with CR/QOS is the whole reboot. It's as if old Bond is gone forever. I still have my random made-up continuity which I watch my Bond films so that CR fits in though ;D I agree with the reboot. Craig in Bond Begins pushed me firmly into the anti-camp. They could have made a different style of Bond - a'la Dalton - with Craig, but still in keeping with the rest of the series. |
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Post by adam on Aug 25, 2008 9:27:41 GMT -5
The beginning of CR had Craig killing those two men in the WC which earned him his 007 status. It would have been much more interesting to have that at the end of the film. The film could have concentrated on events leading up to the killings. We would have known why they were killed and how Bond got his 007 status. In other words a 'Bond Begins' film.
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Post by adam on Aug 25, 2008 9:38:02 GMT -5
CR was supposed to be a 'Bond Begins' story with a rookie Bond. This was explained by the fact that Bond makes some mistakes. Apart from losing at cards (before winning) and needing some help after being drugged, he did'nt seem like a rookie at all. Running through walls, jumping off cranes and getting it on with two babes. A 40 year old rookie is also unrealistic. What was he doing the previous 20 years, working in 'Tescos' ?. Did'nt seem like much of a rookie to me.
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