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Post by Stockslivevan on Nov 4, 2008 20:32:12 GMT -5
As everyone knows, there's always one Bond film in each decade that's considered a milestone in the series. In this thread you will rank the milestone films. Here's the list: 60s - Goldfinger - Brought Bond to blockbuster status and is arguably the most iconic of the 60s, let alone the whole series. Oddjob, Goldfinger, Astin Martin, what's more to say? 70s - The Spy Who Loved Me - Solidified the fact that Bond can work beyond Connery, some iconic stuff, Jaws, ect. 80s -  - This is a tough one. I'd like to say The Living Daylights but the general public forgot of Dalton (SHAME!). None of the films seemed to have reached iconic status, hence why this is the weakest decade in the series' history. So I guess this is purely optional for everyone, I choose TLD. 90s - GoldenEye - Brought Bond back in the 90s, has a classic video game under its belt (ironically, I think its better than the film itself!) and is obviously the best of the three Bond flicks of the decade. 00s - Casino Royale - Made Bond relevant again while taking notes from Batman and Bourne, resulting in the most critically and financially successful Bond film since a long long time. My rankings: GF - Fun, classic, what's more to say? TLD - Dalton rocks and it's pretty well made, even for John Glen's standards. CR - Craig's engaging to watch, Eva is gorgeous and the action is thrilling. Fantastic PTS too! GE - Has some great moments, some bad, but mostly good. Aside from the "falling to catch the plane" bit, the PTS is thrilling. TSWLM - I find it boring most of the time. It gets too goofy for my tastes, even for Bond films.  |
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Post by Gambit on Nov 5, 2008 10:36:08 GMT -5
TSWLM boring?  I agree with most of your choices. |
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Post by Stockslivevan on Nov 5, 2008 15:26:41 GMT -5
Yup. Boring. Stromberg is the most lifeless villain, Barbara Bach's acting is piss poor, Jaws is a Dick Tracy reject. The fighting is another really dumb aspect, at one point during the pyramid scene one of the goons runs to Bond, pats him on the back just to give Bond enough time to turn around and clock him. And then you have the fight on the train which is a direct copy of the fight with Tee-Hee in LALD, straight with disposing him out of the window. In fact the whole film is just a recycled plot of YOLT with the capturing of American and Soviet subs. I actually find Moonraker far more entertaining. It succeeds more at what it aims than TSWLM, plus there's no tacky "will she kill Bond" drama which didn't really serve a point. |
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Post by Robert Sterling on Nov 5, 2008 16:28:25 GMT -5
As everyone knows, there's always one Bond film in each decade that's considered a milestone in the series. In this thread you will rank the milestone films. Here's the list: 60s - Goldfinger - Brought Bond to blockbuster status and is arguably the most iconic of the 60s, let alone the whole series. Oddjob, Goldfinger, Astin Martin, what's more to say? 70s - The Spy Who Loved Me - Solidified the fact that Bond can work beyond Connery, some iconic stuff, Jaws, ect. 80s - - This is a tough one. I'd like to say The Living Daylights but the general public forgot of Dalton (SHAME!). None of the films seemed to have reached iconic status, hence why this is the weakest decade in the series' history. So I guess this is purely optional for everyone, I choose TLD. 90s - GoldenEye - Brought Bond back in the 90s, has a classic video game under its belt (ironically, I think its better than the film itself!) and is obviously the best of the three Bond flicks of the decade. 00s - Casino Royale - Made Bond relevant again while taking notes from Batman and Bourne, resulting in the most critically and financially successful Bond film since a long long time. My rankings: GF - Fun, classic, what's more to say? TLD - Dalton rocks and it's pretty well made, even for John Glen's standards. CR - Craig's engaging to watch, Eva is gorgeous and the action is thrilling. Fantastic PTS too! GE - Has some great moments, some bad, but mostly good. Aside from the "falling to catch the plane" bit, the PTS is thrilling. TSWLM - I find it boring most of the time. It gets too goofy for my tastes, even for Bond films. I agree with your selection of films, but certainly not with your opinions on them. I enjoy TSWLM immensely and it is GF I find boring at times. But that's a matter of personal taste. More objective point can be made about the 80's. In my view it absolutely isn't the weakest decade in series history. The lack of one obvious standout, the film which would save the franchise and open new perspectives for it I'd attribute to its stability and security. Bond was well established and widely accepted, so was the direction in which the series was going. And the 80s witnessed a row of very , finacially and in my opinion also artistically, successful entries. As for GE, again, I concur that it's the most improtant film in the 90s, which brought Bond back to audiences' attention, but hardly the best in Brosnan's tenure. And finally CR. Very successful film indeed - mainly in killing James Bond I once cared for. |
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Post by adam on Nov 8, 2008 4:57:55 GMT -5
TSWLM is'nt perfect, what Bond movie is ? But 31 years ago it did have some groundbreaking moments. The PTS was easily the best ever seen in 1977. Much better than the lame PTS's in the 60's and early 70's. Ken Adam's sets were probably the biggest sets ever seen at the time, the world famous Bond studios had to built to accomodate the film. The models of the underwater palace are also impressive. Jaw's is still perhaps the most famous henchman in the seris. Moore finally nailed the part and comfirmed there was life after Connery & who can forget the Lotus. The budget for the film was bigger than all the previous films and Cubby Brocoli kept his promise of putting every penny on screen. Credit must go to him for such a big improvement from TMWTGG.
But not sure about Barbara Bachs acting & it is a bit boring & naff now. Mainly because everyone has got used to films as big and spectacular as TSWLM being released.
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Post by Stockslivevan on Nov 8, 2008 17:38:03 GMT -5
60s PTS "lame"? I take it you're more of a fan of the Moore/Brosnan era. |
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Post by adam on Nov 9, 2008 11:55:42 GMT -5
I love all the era's. The PTS's before TSWLM were never really that memorable. Often a punch up (OHMSS) or Bond killing an old enemy (DAF). They got even worse in the early 70's and Bond did'nt even appear in the PTS for LALD & TMWTGG. Moore's memoirs say there was a standing ovation after the PTS at the Royal Premiere. It must have looked mightily impressive 31 years ago. It still looks great now. It set the bar for future Bond PTS scenes and now everyone looks forward to the PTS in a Bond film.
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Post by brookystreet on Nov 9, 2008 15:44:21 GMT -5
1960's - Thunderball
1970's - The Spy Who Loved Me
1980's - The Living Daylights
1990's - The World Is Not Enough
2000's - Quantum of Solace
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Post by Stockslivevan on Nov 9, 2008 21:22:34 GMT -5
I'm guessing you misinterpreted the subject matter brookystreet. We're basically ranking the standout films of each decade. No way TWINE was ever more popular than GE.
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Post by alex on Nov 10, 2008 4:07:24 GMT -5
Interesting choices from the Brookster if those films are based strictly on personal tastes. I don't think TWINE and QOS are milestones though. You could argue that TLD is because it rebooted Bond after Roger Moore and is one of the more respected films in the series amongst fans.
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Post by brookystreet on Nov 10, 2008 15:52:12 GMT -5
Whoops!
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Post by Stockslivevan on Nov 10, 2008 20:50:56 GMT -5
Interesting choices from the Brookster if those films are based strictly on personal tastes. I don't think TWINE and QOS are milestones though. You could argue that TLD is because it rebooted Bond after Roger Moore and is one of the more respected films in the series amongst fans. Amongst fans, but generally unknown to the public hence why I couldn't think of which 80s film could be considered milestone. I'd like to say TLD is, it's the best of the 80s and one of my favorite Bond films, but nobody knows who Timothy Dalton is anymore so it's unlikely they know anything of TLD. A real shame. Maybe if Dalton didn't turn down GE, his first two films would have been boosted in recognition. |
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Post by poirot on Nov 10, 2008 21:42:57 GMT -5
The 80's would be a choice between Octopussy and The Living Daylights. Neither is among the series' most iconic, but each has its share of noteworthy qualities.
Octopussy was arguably the most popular Bond film of the 80's, nearly matching the domestic gross of Moonraker. I remember it receiving a great deal of attention at the time- probably more than any Bond film up until Goldeneye. It boasted a memorable PTS and yielded a very popular hit single. It was basically the last hurrah of the Roger Moore era.
TLD signaled the beginning of Bond in the modern era, with the character forced to acknowledge political correctness. The rejuvenated entry was a big hit worldwide- edging Octopussy's overall total- but struggled to surpass AVTAK domestically. Despite being largely forgotten by the general public, it paved the way for Bond in the 90's and 00's.
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Post by Stockslivevan on Nov 10, 2008 23:52:26 GMT -5
I believe the hype for OP at the time had to do with the "Battle of the Bonds" thing the press kept hyping up. Perhaps it is the most popular at the 80s, but it's really not saying much in terms of GF, TSWLM, GE and CR. Perhaps it could be dubbed "the black sheep" of the stand outs.  Still, I like OP. It's goofy, but has its moments. |
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Post by poirot on Nov 11, 2008 0:13:30 GMT -5
Yes, the competition with NSNA was certainly a very big factor. But I was also basing that on the general reception the film had at the time.
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- This is a tough one. I'd like to say The Living Daylights but the general public forgot of Dalton (SHAME!). None of the films seemed to have reached iconic status, hence why this is the weakest decade in the series' history. So I guess this is purely optional for everyone, I choose TLD.
