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Post by poirot on Jun 30, 2008 20:01:02 GMT -5
Frank Marshall recently mentioned that he expects a 4th Jason Bourne film to go into production next year, for a 2010 release. And Michael Wilson has already said Bond won't return until 2011, at the earliest.
So, we're basically looking at another Bourne Ultimatum/QOS type of situation. You have to wonder how long Bond is going to reside in the shadow of Jason Bourne. By that point, it will have been nearly a decade since the rival agent first appeared, and forced EON to quickly try and play 'catch-up'.
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Favourite James Bond Films: The Dark Knight Trilogy, Mission: Impossible and any upcoming action films starring Pierce Brosnan (no, it's not James Bond which is good because he'll need it to expand his reputation as an actor, especially in the action realm)
Favourite Films: Star Wars, Indiana Jones, Star Trek, The Dark Knight Trilogy, Harry Potter, Middle-Earth, The Matrix, Mission: Impossible
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Post by FormerBondFan on Jul 1, 2008 0:36:49 GMT -5
Frank Marshall recently mentioned that he expects a 4th Jason Bourne film to go into production next year, for a 2010 release. And Michael Wilson has already said Bond won't return until 2011, at the earliest. The 2nd Part of Harry Potter 7 releases on 2011.
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Post by Jake on Jul 1, 2008 10:19:06 GMT -5
I saw the trailer last night. It's brief and cut very quickly as you'd expect from a teaser. Seems very generic to me with the classical Bond imagery shoved more and more into the background. Not an awful lot to go on but nothing there that really got me that excited or interested. The Jason Bourne comparison is not going to go away either.
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FormerBondFan
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Posts: 5,455
Favourite James Bond Films: The Dark Knight Trilogy, Mission: Impossible and any upcoming action films starring Pierce Brosnan (no, it's not James Bond which is good because he'll need it to expand his reputation as an actor, especially in the action realm)
Favourite Films: Star Wars, Indiana Jones, Star Trek, The Dark Knight Trilogy, Harry Potter, Middle-Earth, The Matrix, Mission: Impossible
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Post by FormerBondFan on Jul 1, 2008 11:01:27 GMT -5
I bet the Devil Himself would enjoy watching this trailer.
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Post by smartboy on Jul 1, 2008 11:24:26 GMT -5
easy formerbond fan!
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Post by poirot on Jul 1, 2008 12:03:33 GMT -5
I bet the Devil Himself would enjoy watching this trailer. I'm not too sure about these comparisons you keep making between Craig and the Devil. Some could find them to be a little offensive. After all, the Devil is often depicted as being very charismatic and charming. ;D
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Post by smartboy on Jul 1, 2008 12:18:36 GMT -5
Sounds a bit like my ex!
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Post by Greg Haugen on Jul 1, 2008 12:57:52 GMT -5
I know this is a very serious and respected James Bond site (no, honestly) but I think a picture of some kittens might be useful for FBF. Look at the picture and relax. You are feeling sleepy. There is no such person as Daniel Craig. Pierce Brosnan is still James Bond. It's Christmas Eve. It's snowing....
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Post by Greg Haugen on Jul 1, 2008 13:02:22 GMT -5
I saw the trailer last night. It's brief and cut very quickly as you'd expect from a teaser. Seems very generic to me with the classical Bond imagery shoved more and more into the background. Not an awful lot to go on but nothing there that really got me that excited or interested. The Jason Bourne comparison is not going to go away either. About right I think. We'll see if the full trailer throws up anything interesting.
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FormerBondFan
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Posts: 5,455
Favourite James Bond Films: The Dark Knight Trilogy, Mission: Impossible and any upcoming action films starring Pierce Brosnan (no, it's not James Bond which is good because he'll need it to expand his reputation as an actor, especially in the action realm)
Favourite Films: Star Wars, Indiana Jones, Star Trek, The Dark Knight Trilogy, Harry Potter, Middle-Earth, The Matrix, Mission: Impossible
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Post by FormerBondFan on Jul 1, 2008 14:19:10 GMT -5
I know this is a very serious and respected James Bond site (no, honestly) but I think a picture of some kittens might be useful for FBF. Look at the picture and relax. You are feeling sleepy. There is no such person as Daniel Craig. Pierce Brosnan is still James Bond. It's Christmas Eve. It's snowing.... The black ones represent Sean, Roger, and Pierce while the other two represent George and Tim.
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Post by smartboy on Jul 1, 2008 14:34:11 GMT -5
AHHHHHHH THATS VERY SWEET!
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Posts: 5,455
Favourite James Bond Films: The Dark Knight Trilogy, Mission: Impossible and any upcoming action films starring Pierce Brosnan (no, it's not James Bond which is good because he'll need it to expand his reputation as an actor, especially in the action realm)
Favourite Films: Star Wars, Indiana Jones, Star Trek, The Dark Knight Trilogy, Harry Potter, Middle-Earth, The Matrix, Mission: Impossible
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Post by FormerBondFan on Jul 1, 2008 16:13:17 GMT -5
DC and his Bonds are to be removed from the world of Bond.
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Post by smartboy on Jul 1, 2008 16:41:22 GMT -5
I saw pierce brosnon on sky news, anyone who thinks hes to old, think again, he looked about 40 to me, he looks fantastic, what a nice man, what a star, he would have been fab in QOS.Picture him in the trailer, i would be so excited to see it, its a wonderful dream until you wake up and see its really craig, so sad!
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Post by smartboy on Jul 1, 2008 16:43:13 GMT -5
Fancy babs brocolli dumping Pierce - what an arsehole!
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Post by JackBurton on Jul 1, 2008 17:09:07 GMT -5
Regarding the Marc Forster interview: I went over it twice. Thought I missed something because Forster's interview was bland and didn't have anything spectacular, by my reading at any rate. If anything, some of his comments raise disturbing things. On the film: "Stylistically, it will be very different. I approached the film very differently and it’s going in a different direction."I thought they established the direction in CR--the whole idea was to reboot the franchise with the concept of a rookie Bond within the framework of gritty realism. Presumably, they were going to continue in this direction and explore the evolution of this rookie Bond. So what happened to that direction? "There was more action in Casino Royale, but my goal was to bring it back to the 60s and early 70s. I was always inspired by the early Bond films – Dr. No, Goldfinger - and the sets designed by Ken Adams. I want to go back to the feel of the old set designs, which were incredibly interesting and ahead of their time. I felt the look of the Bond franchise was a little bit neglected in the last decade - to make a more stylish Bond is a little more interesting."According to M.G. Wilson and Barbara B., QOS would have twice the action of CR. So why is Forster implying that there is less of it in QOS? I personally thought CR didn't have enough action, it had too much pointless dialog, a long poker sequence, and not enough action and suspense apart from a couple of major action setpieces. Did they scale back during the production of QOS? If so, why in heck did it still cost $200 million to make? As for bringing the film back to the 60s and early 70s...those films had a lot of fantastical elements, so again this is in contradiction to the intention of a gritty rebooted series. If anything, in CR Eon deliberately distanced themselves from those old set designs as if they're embarrased by them. The old style of Bond films were too ridiculous, so the marketing theme went, and it is only Craig and the new gritty approach that reign supreme to save the franchise! To me, I thought there were many moments when CR didn't have this big screen scope and felt more like a TV movie. Now here they are embracing that old style. The problem with this approach: these fantasical elements will clash with the dour style of Craig and the whole gritty realism thingie. Back in 1989, Richard Maibaum said that one of the problems with Licence To Kill was that Sanchez's Olympiatec Meditation Institute and those weird-looking pyramids were too fantasical and didn't fit the darker realistic mood of the rest of the film. QOS may suffer the same fate. Forster's last line is hilarious: "I felt the look of the Bond franchise was a little bit neglected in the last decade - to make a more stylish Bond is a little more interesting." In other words, he's going for style over substance. And "style" for him is all about emulating those fantasical Ken Adam set designs of yore. He's only interested in the look of the film. Whatever happened to a good story and interesting characters? Did they all see, during the rushes or dailies, that this film had a useless story and just didn't work, so off they went into this direction, focusing on glitz instead? Forster is also contradicting his eariler statements about exploring Bond's psyche as the inner terrain to explore. Based on his excitement over set designs, he seems to have abandoned his original intention. He basically babbles in response to the question about bringing back the "suave, ladies' man Bond": in fact, he doesn't really address the question. Instead, he talks about the role of the Bond girl and the usual claptrap about today's Bond girl as smart and sexy. Yawn. On the major action setpieces: "There’s an airplane sequence that’s a real cat-and-mouse game. I think it’s really breathtaking and a lot of fun. Another scene is the finale of a foot chase in Vienna during which they crash into a cathedral and there’s a fight. I really like that sequence; I feel I haven’t seen it in any film before."These action scenes sound like over-the-top stuff--which was apparently the unpardonable sins committed by the Brosnan 007 films. Now they're suddenly back. And a fun airplane sequence as a cat-and-mouse game? Yeah, that's right, they've gone back to Fleming and are now presenting cartoon cat-and-mouse games. Crashing into a cathedral for a fight is also true clandestine spying. It all sounds like the continuation of the idiocy of CR, only bigger and wrapped in fantasy setpieces, with more marketing cash to sell it all like some kind of high art to snow the mainstream media and generate postive buzz. Anyway, that's my cycnical take on things. As William Goldman said, nobody knows anything in Hollywood. And neither do I. The thing that drives me nuts is all the Bond fans who are tripping over themselves to bemoan earlier films in the series. Their Bond DVD collections must include about five films. I thought the James Bond series was about style, panache and class. Now it seems intent on latching onto the Bourne series. Can they ever make an old style James Bond film ever again? Q? Moneypenny? A few jokes? A handsome James Bond actor?
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