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Favourite James Bond Films: The Dark Knight Trilogy, Mission: Impossible and any upcoming action films starring Pierce Brosnan (no, it's not James Bond which is good because he'll need it to expand his reputation as an actor, especially in the action realm)
Favourite Films: Star Wars, Indiana Jones, Star Trek, The Dark Knight Trilogy, Harry Potter, Middle-Earth, The Matrix, Mission: Impossible
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Post by FormerBondFan on May 13, 2010 18:50:03 GMT -5
what i like about the craighatters, they always wish and predict Craig's Bond film would fail and they also wish the moviesgoers or Bondfans around the world ignore Craig's Bond, and the result? they never got their wishes ;D keep dreaming Formerbondfan ;D Not sure what a "craighatter" is (a hat designed for Craig's potato-shaped head, perhaps), but you're dreaming, too, Chuckster. ;D Guess what? You may have to redirect your obsessive infatuation with Craig (which is actually getting creepy, to put it bluntly) to some other outlet because things are not looking good for Danny. The fact is, Craig's last Bond film did fail. It was a critical flop. Commercially, it did questionable business at best because it cost $250 million to make and earned less than CR worldwide. In just its second week of release, QOS was blown away in popularity by Twilight. And you know what? The media has started to turn on Craig because look at all the reports about other actors possibly replacing him. And it's funny that Eon hasn't exactly come out to refute those reports. You can be sure Eon is looking at all sorts of options on how to move on with the series, and one of those options is getting a younger actor who can appeal to the demographics of Twilight and other recent popular films like Avatar. But this is all probably way over your head, buddy. You and the other guy Alvin are really entertaining.  You got to give Captain Jack Sparrow credit here. |
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Favourite James Bond Films: The Dark Knight Trilogy, Mission: Impossible and any upcoming action films starring Pierce Brosnan (no, it's not James Bond which is good because he'll need it to expand his reputation as an actor, especially in the action realm)
Favourite Films: Star Wars, Indiana Jones, Star Trek, The Dark Knight Trilogy, Harry Potter, Middle-Earth, The Matrix, Mission: Impossible
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Post by FormerBondFan on May 13, 2010 18:53:11 GMT -5
If you're hoping Bond 23 will flop at the box office, it's not going to happen. No Bond film is going to tank as long as they keep spending so much money to market them. If LTK had been given the same level of promotion as QOS, Dalton would've been in GE. Bond 23 deserves to FAIL, even here in the US, and Babs is not going to get away with what what she did to our 5th Bond. The World of Bond is nothing but this.  |
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Favourite James Bond Films: The Dark Knight Trilogy, Mission: Impossible and any upcoming action films starring Pierce Brosnan (no, it's not James Bond which is good because he'll need it to expand his reputation as an actor, especially in the action realm)
Favourite Films: Star Wars, Indiana Jones, Star Trek, The Dark Knight Trilogy, Harry Potter, Middle-Earth, The Matrix, Mission: Impossible
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Post by FormerBondFan on May 13, 2010 19:10:06 GMT -5
And this is what I describe the Queen B1tch Babs!  |
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Post by poirot on May 13, 2010 21:18:18 GMT -5
look at all the reports about other actors possibly replacing him. More specifically, look at how quickly those reports surfaced. It was pretty much immediately after the delay was announced. Now compare that to the recent announcement that Paul Greengrass had left Bourne 4, forcing the sequel to be delayed. No one suggested that Matt Damon should be replaced- even after Damon himself joked that the studio would probably reboot! The difference is that, even though he was not the first actor to portray the character, Damon now owns the role. Audiences strongly identify him as Bourne, mainly because they have gone on such a lengthy story arc with him. By comparison, audiences not only expect the role of 007 to change every few years- they welcome it. If the series has a delay of more than 4 years, EON will be able to generate far more excitement out of debuting "The 7th 007" than "Quantum of Solace 2". |
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Favourite James Bond Films: The Dark Knight Trilogy, Mission: Impossible and any upcoming action films starring Pierce Brosnan (no, it's not James Bond which is good because he'll need it to expand his reputation as an actor, especially in the action realm)
Favourite Films: Star Wars, Indiana Jones, Star Trek, The Dark Knight Trilogy, Harry Potter, Middle-Earth, The Matrix, Mission: Impossible
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Post by FormerBondFan on May 13, 2010 23:26:17 GMT -5
If the series has a delay of more than 4 years, EON will be able to generate far more excitement out of debuting "The 7th 007" than "Quantum of Solace 2". I prefer a decade without Bond, meaning no Bonds in the 2010s. I prefer it that way. |
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Post by chuck007 on May 14, 2010 14:31:10 GMT -5
Things are not looking good for Danny  as far as i know only MGM financial difficulties are the only problem The Craig's last bond film did fail ? rotten tomatoes give it 63% POSITIVE and its above the last 3 brosnan's razzies qualities bond film (with average 50% ROTTEN) ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D or u wanna more prove pal? IMDB gave QOS 6,8 still ABOVE last 3 Brosnan's Bond ;D ;D ;D ;D QOS not like BROSNAN'S THE WORLD IS NOT ENOUGH, TWINE GOT TWO RAZZIES NOMINATION (INCLUDING BROSNAN) AND GOT ONE (IRONICALLY BROSNAN FANBOY CONSIDERED IT ONE OF THE BEST PERFORMANCE BY BROSNAN AS JAMES BOND) how come you guys consider it the best when Brosnan got razzies nomination as WORST SCREEN COUPLE ? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D i'm not considered it 586 mil worldwide a flop  and let's do the math. QOS earned less than CR by 13 mil it means drop 2,2% it is not a big deal. Brosnan second outing (TND) also earned less than GE (drop 1,92%). Roger Moore second outing ALSO earned less than LALD drop by 39,68% (BIGGER drop than Craig second outing ) Timothy Dalton? (i like his films which far more better than Brosnan's Bond) so every BOND ACTOR except (Connery and Lazenby) experienced the same thing. The media??? they wrote crazy stuff even before Craig was announced as the sixth james bOnd. No body really care about media wrote. they may write anything they like ;D when exactly EON make decision based on report on the news? ;D were they use report from fan's forum to chose an actor? were they use gossip column to replace Brosnan? ;D i don't care about twilight and avatar. i have no interest watching them KEEP DREAMING CARRIBEANJACKSTER ;D you (and FBF or anti Craig legion) may wish for DC's Bond to fail and crash ;D |
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Post by poirot on May 14, 2010 15:33:18 GMT -5
The Craig's last bond film did fail ? rotten tomatoes give it 63% POSITIVE and its above the last 3 brosnan's razzies qualities bond film (with average 50% ROTTEN) Think about what you're saying here: QOS is currently at 63%...a mere 4 points higher than DAD at 59%. Yet it took 8 long years- and a lot of reviews written long after the fact- for DAD to garner a "rotten" rating. By comparison, QOS dropped to the 60s almost immediately. (How is this even possible, if DAD is the absolute nadir of the series- as some fans like to claim?) As I said above, QOS was the worst reviewed film in franchise history. No other entry has taken such a beating upon original release- regardless of how differently fans may view them decades later. The reason this makes QOS such a huge failure is because critical praise was the entire goal of the reboot. Wilson and Broccoli had lost interest in the box office long ago, as Bond had been a sure-fire moneymaker for years. It's ironic that QOS apologists now try to place so much importance on the box office, considering how much the success of Brosnan's era has been downplayed. In fact, most of the issues that were cited as justification for the reboot- weak character development, unrealistic stunts, an over-reliance on action, films that were more about commercial success than critical raves- all returned to plague QOS. Now personally, I have no problem with fans that like Craig or dislike previous Bonds. Every fan is going to be different and have their own preferences. But there's just no denying how badly EON managed to screw up the reboot. Bond 23 wasn't delayed because MGM ran into money troubles. It was originally delayed because Wilson nixed the trilogy that had been planned since 2005. If he hadn't tabled everything in the wake of QOS, Bond 23 would've been released this November with Sony picking up the promotional tab. |
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Post by caribbeanjack on May 14, 2010 16:20:33 GMT -5
Things are not looking good for Danny as far as i know only MGM financial difficulties are the only problem Have a look at poirot's astute explanation below. It's more than financial problems. Yes, it did. I understand that you've got some weird idolatry going on with Craig and that your sexual orientation is your business, but there is a point in life when it's time to face reality. The film failed. No more proof required, pal, because you're not making any sense. Again, have a look at poirot's response to your comments for a clear explanation of things. And why did Sandra Bullock receive a Razzie and yet win an Oscar for best actress this year? The Razzies are just a tongue-in-cheek awards that no one takes seriously. Except you. You're so fixated on the Razzies, on your hatred for Brosnan, that you're coming across as a guy whose stuck in a basement with a creepy unrequited infatuation on the actor, which is why you're so angry at him. ;D Unfortunately, your math is irrelevant. The film cost $250 million to make. I don't even think that includes the cost of the over-hyped marketing campaign. And it started to sink in popularity in its second week of release. I guess you don't read. The media had a bizarre slobbering love affair with Craig (to paraphrase Bernard Goldberg). No other actor who played Bond got the kind of puff treatment that Craig received. I have no idea what the hell you're trying to say. Sorry to break this to you, pal. But your lack of interest in other films means nothing. Eon isn't monitoring your interest. You're diddly squat. If you can break out of your cage of self-importance for at least 2 seconds, then you'll understand that movie studios (Eon included) are always looking at trends in society, at how to appeal to a wide demographics. |
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Post by FormerBondFan on May 14, 2010 17:20:18 GMT -5
Sorry to break this to you, pal. But your lack of interest in other films means nothing. Eon isn't monitoring your interest. You're diddly squat. If you can break out of your cage of self-importance for at least 2 seconds, then you'll understand that movie studios (Eon included) are always looking at trends in society, at how to appeal to a wide demographics. I may be not a Twilight fan, but I would still watch it over QOS (which I haven't watched and never will) anyway. As for Avatar, I loved that movie a lot and even owned the Blu-Ray/DVD pack. But I prefer Star Wars. Oh.......you might want to give Captain Sparrow credit here, chuck, or should I call you Mr. Stromtrooper?  |
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Post by chuck007 on May 14, 2010 22:21:57 GMT -5
I like Craig acting ;D and why you connecting it with sexual orientation? is this your best response ?;D how come someone like Daniel Craig's Bond film considered weird??? btw i am heterosexual ;D i think you are the one have to face the reallity ;D No more proof required, pal, because you're not making any sense. Again, have a look at poirot's response to your comments for a clear explanation of things.I have look at it ;D its his opinion. still i don't considered QOS a failure. DAD and MOONRAKER are the WORST FILM EVER MAKE And why did Sandra Bullock receive a Razzie and yet win an Oscar for best actress this year?i think Sandra Bullock got razzie and the Oscar for different film, no actor/actress got razzies and oscar with the same role you wrong mate ;D not just me again Your Basement argument is nonsense ;D i starting to think that it is you that have weird sexual orientation with Brosnan that's why ruined your commonsense ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D i believe 250 mil include the marketing campaign, or do you have any data to proof otherwise? The man with the golden gun and License to kill each drop significantly compare with previous film were EON panic that time? like i said before, the media CAN WRITE anything they want ;D nobody taking them seriously (especially about BOND) ;D i don't care EON isn't monitoring my interest. ;D what should i care? ;D i know that |
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Post by poirot on May 14, 2010 22:33:01 GMT -5
i believe 250 mil include the marketing campaign, or do you have any data to proof otherwise? The $230-50 million budget only covered the production. For what was spent on promoting QOS (and CR), they could've made an entirely separate film. (Well, maybe not EON. But a more skillful filmmaker? Easily.) If MGM could've marketed a Bond film in 2008 with only $30 million, they wouldn't be in so much trouble right now. |
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Post by harrypalmer on May 15, 2010 8:59:42 GMT -5
Poirot is right about DAD. It got reasonable reviews in 2002 along the line of 'nothing special but fun' but is trashed now when anyone talks about it.
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Post by caribbeanjack on May 15, 2010 11:56:53 GMT -5
I like Craig acting ;D and why you connecting it with sexual orientation? is this your best response ?;D how come someone like Daniel Craig's Bond film considered weird??? btw i am heterosexual ;D i think you are the one have to face the reallity ;D This guy is hilarious. No, Chuck, but this response of yours is obviously the best that you have. You've been an utter failure in your arguments. I brought that up because practically all your posts are just a "Craig vs. Brosnan" claptrap. It's one thing to admire a particular actor, and I've got nothing against somebody who favors Craig. But I haven't seen any attempt on your part to share a well-thought argument in a spirited (and fun) discussion. Instead, it's been your obsession to hate Brosnan while expressing a bizarre idolatry of Craig, which leads me to believe that you've got a creepy fixation on both actors. Reasonable people with dignity wouldn't express themselves in that way. Enjoy the dillusion! ;D Weak response. You'll have to do better. Another weak comeback. I don't even favor Brosnan as Bond. But once gain you've gone back to your usual Brosnan-hating routine. Somebody's got to get a retraining order on you to keep you away from Brosnan and Craig. ;D Wrong again, buddy. Try doing some basic research. www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20240780,00.html Daniel Craig's second outing as the British secret agent, which has already banked more than $250 mil overseas, fared far better in its domestic debut than even the loftiest projections predicted. . . . All of which is impressive to be sure, but don't forget that Quantum of Solace was the only major new movie of the weekend, so it had an easy time earning nearly half of all the money spent at the box office. And there is another potential problem: In crafting a sleeker, more Jason Bourne-esque thriller to appeal to today's crowds, director Marc Forster and the ever-powerful James Bond producing team may have alienated some of the fans who'd keep returning to buy tickets. The film has been hit by middling reviews from critics and it earned a poor B- grade from audiences in the CinemaScore poll. Too, its demographics are not ideal: Three-quarters of its viewers have been over the age of 25. All of which points to a potential steep drop in the weeks to come — especially opposite such formidable fare as Twilight and Bolt. In other words, from the perspective of the folks behind the film, it's probably a good thing that Quantum of Solace (which is reported to have cost well more than $200 mil...before its huge marketing expenditures) earned as much as it did this weekend. Then by your logic, nobody takes the Razzies seriously, which is part of the media sensationalism that you are dismissing. Thank you for proving my point! ;D |
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Post by alvin on May 15, 2010 14:01:21 GMT -5
I like Craig acting ;D and why you connecting it with sexual orientation? is this your best response ?;D how come someone like Daniel Craig's Bond film considered weird??? Your humbleness is just awesome. But I can tell you that my buddies and I feel that you're a changed man through Daniel Craig. I mean, it doesn't matter to you what imperfections Daniel has, you're just into Daniel. And for that to happen, you've reached your inner feelings. That's why I refuse to believe any of these negative reports about Daniel Craig and the series. Eon would be crazy to get rid of him because he's been a big influence on many men. I mean, we do have to keep in mind the influence that Daniel has had on society. We can't just dismiss that. |
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Post by chuck007 on May 15, 2010 14:17:23 GMT -5
you hilarious too ;D well i see your arguments is an utter failure too ;D you brought that up because you can't provide a better argument . Your response "while expressing a bizarre idolatry of Craig" ;D is prove your lack understading about an issue Reasonable people with dignity wouldn't response in that way ;D i haven't seen any attempt from you either ;D ;D ;D ;D please show me when and where in this respectable forum that i expressing a bizzare idolatry of Craig ;D well i have the same opinion about you too well here you go again pal, weak argument ;D, you can do better I enjoy the fact that QOS is a good film You'll have to do better too ;D thanks God you don't even favor Brosnan ;D welcome to the club ;D GIVE ME FIVE Formerbondfan (and others also) also has Craig hating routine, Somebody's got to get a retraining order on FBF to keep FBF away from Brosnan and Craig [/color][/b]) earned as much as it did this weekend. [/i][/quote] please make your research much deeper, can you tell me what the EXACT FIGURES the HUGE MARKETING EXPENDITURES of QOS? Razzies award is a fair judgment and expression (not just opinion), of how awfull performance of an actor/actress . Brosnan is nominated as WORST SCREEN COUPLE in his bond film By Using your logic if you seriously want take the media write about Craig's Bond , you should take razzies seriously too because Razzies vote came from Journalist, Cinema fan, and professionals from the film industry. i know that before you telling my by the way |
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as far as i know only MGM financial difficulties are the only problem
and let's do the math. QOS earned less than CR by 13 mil it means drop 2,2% it is not a big deal. 