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Post by harrypalmer on Nov 6, 2010 5:24:48 GMT -5
www.torontosun.com/entertainment ... story.html Roger Moore is calling on movie bosses to inject "a little humour" into the next James Bond movie because Quantum of Solace was too serious.
Daniel Craig made his second outing as 007 in the 2008 blockbuster, but the film was largely panned by critics.
Moore is convinced a more humorous script for the next Bond picture will impress viewers like in the days he played the suave superspy.
He tells Britain's Daily Express, "It (Quantum of Solace) wasn't a great film by any means and the series does now really need a little humour again, as that is part of the charm of Bond."
The 23rd Bond movie was put on hold earlier this year after the MGM film studio fell into debt, but fans were given hope this week when company bosses announced a landmark deal to rescue the firm's finances.
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Post by Gambit on Nov 6, 2010 15:17:12 GMT -5
I agree with Sir Rog.
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Post by James on Nov 9, 2010 15:18:04 GMT -5
You can say that again. There were so many bad reviews I couldn't keep up with them.
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Favourite James Bond Films: The Dark Knight Trilogy, Mission: Impossible and any upcoming action films starring Pierce Brosnan (no, it's not James Bond which is good because he'll need it to expand his reputation as an actor, especially in the action realm)
Favourite Films: Star Wars, Indiana Jones, Star Trek, The Dark Knight Trilogy, Harry Potter, Middle-Earth, The Matrix, Mission: Impossible
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Post by FormerBondFan on Nov 9, 2010 17:38:16 GMT -5
You can say that again. There were so many bad reviews I couldn't keep up with them. QOS should have gotten lower ratings than Pierce's last 3 Bonds in imdb and Rotten Tomatoes.
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Post by 009 on Nov 10, 2010 11:16:10 GMT -5
That Rotten Tomatoes ratings system is flawed.
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Post by harrypalmer on Nov 11, 2010 13:09:41 GMT -5
QOS should have a minus score!
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Post by alessandra on Dec 5, 2010 13:13:07 GMT -5
Well thank you Sir Roger for being frank and saying it out loud. I hope he says that again before they start getting to work with Bond 23. Not that they'd listen but at least they wouldn't be able to say "what? nobody said there wasn't enough humor in QoS" (which is just one of the zillion problems that movie had)
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Post by Gambit on Dec 5, 2010 18:49:05 GMT -5
QOS was a miserable film. I still shudder at that 'I can't find the stationary' line.
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Post by alessandra on Dec 7, 2010 0:35:58 GMT -5
QOS was a miserable film. I still shudder at that 'I can't find the stationary' line. If a man tried that on me, they would taste my Gucci stilettos. On their toes. ;D Which is not exactly the effect James Bond should have on women.
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Post by Gambit on Dec 8, 2010 10:07:13 GMT -5
Especially if it was Daniel Craig's Bond. ;D
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Post by alessandra on Dec 8, 2010 19:41:13 GMT -5
Especially if it was Daniel Craig's Bond. ;D ;D of course. If Cavill used that line, I would probably go "what Henry, my love?" ;D I'm kidding. That line is BEYOND BAD. I'd tell Henry "have you completely lost your touch in the last five minutes?" LOL. Just because I wouldn't have the heart to go stiletto rage on him... ;D
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Post by alvin on Dec 8, 2010 21:30:32 GMT -5
There's some cute girls in one of my classes and I tried to get their attention when I described that scene with the line about the stationary. I'll admit that they thought it was a lousy line and not funny at all. But they did say that those romantic scenes in a Bond movie are unrealistic anyway. I scored big time because I actually had the nerve to even go up to them and talk to them, and I owe it all to that scene in QOS!
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Post by Jake on Dec 9, 2010 10:16:26 GMT -5
On the subject of humour and what should be in next time, I found this on Den of Geek...
10 things we want from the new James Bond film
Ti Singh
With Sam Mendes set to direct the twenty-third James Bond movie, Ti puts together his wishlist for the new 007 adventure.
Published on Dec 8, 2010
So, MGM are out of their financial straits and Sam Mendes is, if his ex-wife is to be believed, still on board to direct the next James Bond film, due in 2012. So, with mixed reviews for Bond's last adventure, Quantum Of Solace, what do we want to see in the new film?
And, no, a new actor as James Bond is not one of them, you CraigNotBond.com wags... (Besides, that's clearly going to be Henry Cavill when Craig is done in the role. You just wait and see...)
1. Keep the stunts grounded
James Bond films have always been famous for their practical stunts and the films are all the more exciting when we know that the action was done for real. Think of Bond's best stunts, the rotating Mustang in The Man With The Golden Gun, the Aston Martin crash in Casino Royale and the speed boat flip in The World Is Not Enough. All done for real, where stuntmen's lives were actually in danger.
Unfortunately, while Quantum Of Solace had some decent, although frantically edited action (the opening car chase), there was also a lot of CGI-enhanced set pieces, notably the 'jumping out of the plane' sequence in Bolivia. Now, there were ways they could have done this without CGI. For example, with stuntmen and models. But instead Marc Foster opted for the easier route and in a Bond film, it just looked out of place.
We should not be able to notice good CGI, so if you are going to use it, Mr Mendes, use it subtly and not in the film's main set pieces.
2. Retain Bond's allies
Bond may be a super spy, but it's always good to see he's not alone. Whether it's Felix Leiter, M or his best friend in MI6, Bill Tanner (who was re-introduced in the last film), making sure Bond has people to turn to, stops him from turning into a One Man Army, which, again, makes Bond lose his realism.
Which was better: Bond freeing the US/UK and Russian submarine crews to launch an all out attack on Stromberg's men in The Spy Who Loved Me or Bond shooting everyone in sight by himself on Carver's stealth boat, like some sort of Terminator?
Perhaps, see a couple of 00 agents join Bond in an initial raid on a QUANTUM safe house in the opening sequence, before they are brutally killed....?
3. Bring back Q Branch
I'm all for making Bond grittier and more grounded, but whether you agree or not, gadgets have always been a key element of the Bond films (even the more serious ones). So, let's get a few missile launchers on the Aston Martin, instead of simply a defibrillator.
Also, one of my favourite parts of any Bond film was where Bond when to Q Branch and, as well as tormenting Q, you got to see all the other cool gizmos the department was working on. ("We're building it for the Americans. I call it a Ghetto Blaster!")
Of course, the reintroduction of Q Branch will require a new Q. Unfortunately, Desmond Llewelyn has passed on, John Cleese was a bit awkward in the role, so how about the likes of Mark Addy or Hugh Laurie as the constantly frustrated gadget master?
4. Humour
Bond is now over Vesper, bringing those responsible to justice, so I think he can now crack a smile or two. Of course, I'm not talking about Roger Moore style one-liners or the awful attempt at humour that came up in Die Another Day ("I'm bird-watching ..."). But along the lines of Casino Royale, which walked that line between Bond's laconical nature and seriousness perfectly.
Perhaps bring back Moneypenny to get some of the flirting banter back in the series? I don't believe, like many, that she is crucial to the franchise, but her re-introduction would be nice to see.
5. Keep the storyline unexpected
I remember one of the funniest complaints I ever read about Casino Royale was that it 'didn't follow the basic Bond film layout', which involved:
a) A stunt filled opening sequence
b) Bond being sent on a mission
c) Bond going undercover (but revealing himself as an M15 agent within five minutes)
d) Meeting first Bond girl
e) Getting first Bond girl killed
f) Breaking into bad guy's base
g) Killing bad guy
h) Bedding secondary Bond girl ("Oh, James!")
Now, we already have a dozen Bond films like this, so why do we need more of the same? I liked the unexpected twists and turns of the last two Bond films and I hope that the next film will be as unorthodox.
However...
6. Make it a standalone mission
A major complaint about Quantum Of Solace was that, if you hadn't seen Casino Royale since you'd seen it in the cinema, you may not have a clue what was going on. Who's Mr White? What had Vesper done, again?
Bond films are not traditionally sequels, but standalone adventures, and the new Bond film should make sure it doesn't confuse audiences by referencing the two previous films too much.
James Bond is now trusted by M and is a fully fledged MI6 agent, so now is the time to unleash him on the world. However, we do want to know what QUANTUM are up to, so by all means have them back as the film's villains. They are clearly the 21st century's SPECTRE, after all.
Craig has already said of the new film, "We've finished this story as far as I'm concerned. We've got a great set of bad guys. There is an organization that we can use whenever we want to. The relationship between Bond and M is secure and Felix is secure. Let's try and find where Moneypenny came from and where Q comes from. Let's do all that and have some fun with it."
7. A brilliant theme song
While Another Way To Die was by no means the worst James Bond theme (stand up, Rita Coolidge's All Time High (Octopussy)), it didn't have many fans. Chris Cornell had given Casino Royale an excellent theme with You Know My Name, which captured the coldness of Craig's Bond perfectly, but Alicia Keys and Jack White's song was all over the place.
Plus the line, "Another ringer with the slick trigger finger for Her Majesty" should not be anywhere near a Bond theme.
How about getting the likes of Muse or The Killers in to do the next theme song?
Composer David Arnold has confirmed he will be back doing the film's score, so that's a bonus, even if his Quantum score lacked the bombastic quality of his previous Bond soundtracks. Track Night At The Opera was stunning, though.
8. We want to see what's going on!
As previously stated, Quantum Of Solace had some great action scenes, but we could barely see what was going on, due to the film's rapid style of editing. The opening car chase, the boat sequence and most of the fight scenes, all of them were cut so rapidly you could barely see the action.
It's a shame, as you feel that all the stuntmen's work was wasted, if the audience couldn't see it. In comparison, Casino Royale's free-running sequence and airport chase sequence was filmed relatively steadily, so the audience could see the fights, Daniel Craig doing most of his stunts and more importantly, what was going on!
9. A villain who is an actual threat to Bond
QUANTUM is clearly going to return as the 'big bad' in the next Bond film, but who will be revealed as the head of the evil organisation? There have been rumours of Rachel Weisz pulling the strings, and if this turns out to be the case, she is really going to have to have a henchman to provide a physical threat to Bond.
So far, Bond hasn't really been physically tested by the villains. Le Chiffre was killed by Mr White and Dominic Green was hardly a challenge in hand-to-hand combat, so perhaps it is time to have a villain the equal of Bond, such as Alec Trevelyan (Goldeneye), Necros (The Living Daylights) and Stamper (Tomorrow Never Dies).
How about someone like Goran Visnjic (who was almost cast as Bond) as the villain? Or even a global superstar like Shah Rukh Khan to make the next Bond adventure even more internationally appealing?
Whoever they go with, let's have someone who can actually knock Bond on his ass.
10. Make the Bond Girls Bond Women
Now, I like Gemma Arterton as much as the next red-blooded male, but casting a then 21-year-old as an M15 agent opposite the 40-year -old Daniel Craig was a bit icky. Dare I say, we want our Bond Girls with a bit of maturity, as well as the requisite curves?
For my money, Michelle Yeoh was one of the best Bond girls the series has had, confident, independent and could quite possibly floor Bond if the situation required it.
Instead of 20-25-year-old 'it-girls', why not cast stunning actresses like Rachel Weisz, Kate Beckinsale and Noomi Rapace to give weight to an otherwise light role? Saying that, I have liked how they have tried to give the recent Bond girls of Vesper Lynd and Camille more depth than previous female leads.
So, that's what I think will benefit the next Bond film. Do you agree or disagree, or are you, like me, simply happy that James Bond is returning?
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Post by alessandra on Dec 9, 2010 12:27:10 GMT -5
This is the part that interests me the most ;D This person clearly isn't against Craig, but they too think it's going to be Henry Cavill. And that's exactly one of my points... I know he is in good position to take over, and there are many people who are also Craig fans who would see him in the role (which I know is strange since he's the opposite of Craig but there ARE reasonable people out there). So, makes me glad to see someone who isn't posting on Bond forums still sees him as an adequate, and likely, successor ;D
Uh, I don't agree with quite a few things about the rest. I don't think Casino Royale had the right amount of humor at all. It was extremely boring. I don't think Vesper or Camille had more depth than previous female leads, are you kidding? Camille is nothing compared to Pam Bouvier or even to Lupe in LTK. Vesper simply had a WAY bigger role than anyone else because she's the biggest girl in Fleming's novels, but I thought Eva Green didn't portray her well at all. And I didn't like how completely incompetent she was in the movie, despite all the efforts to make her seem "double faced".
I do agree they need to have Bond girls that are older than those they cast with Craig. But that's only if Craig is the lead, since he looks 50 and it's really icky to see such a young girl with someone who is ANYWAY 42 and who looks way older than that. If someone else, and especially Henry Cavill, is in Bond 23 though, it all depends. 21 is anyway too young, I'd say no one younger than 25 should be cast as Bond girl, unless they are younger but look older. (which is not really likely, but, never know).
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Post by 007 on Dec 9, 2010 20:39:38 GMT -5
I don't agree with them that Casino Royale had a great theme song. It was terrible. There should definitely be more humour though.
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