Sir Roger calls for more humour in Bond 23

[FormerBondFan]

Dec 9, 2010 20:39:38 GMT -5 007 said:

I don't agree with them that Casino Royale had a great theme song. It was terrible.

Good thing it didn't get an Oscar nomination.

There should definitely be more humour though.

I hope they don't overdo it like in the Moore era.

[009]

They should definitely make the women a bit older. It would be stupid if Craig was paired with a 20-year-old Eastern European supermodel bimbo next time.

[alvin]

Daniel Craig can handle humor without any problems. If you watch Flashbacks of a Fool, you'll see that he can do humor.

[FormerBondFan]

Dec 12, 2010 21:17:37 GMT -5 alvin said:

Daniel Craig can handle humor without any problems. If you watch Flashbacks of a Fool, you'll see that he can do humor.

For once, I agree with you.

[RogueAgent]

Daniel Craig wasn't hired to be funny. He was hired to be a tough Bond.

[Jake]

Dec 13, 2010 19:02:47 GMT -5 RogueAgent said:

Daniel Craig wasn't hired to be funny.

Just as well really.

[drfanshawe]

Dec 13, 2010 19:02:47 GMT -5 RogueAgent said:

Daniel Craig wasn't hired to be funny. He was hired to be a tough Bond.

He was hired to do something different in a Bond origin movie which he did in Casino Royale (and many pople seemed to like that). I think he is past his sell by date now.

[harrypalmer]

QOS was funny in places but none of it was intentional.

[alessandra]

Dec 14, 2010 15:07:00 GMT -5 harrypalmer said:

QOS was funny in places but none of it was intentional.

Exactly!

And sorry, the one thing Craig really, and I mean REALLY can't handle is humour. He is terrible at it. And I mean really, really terrible. Especially at James Bond humour. That's the thing. He needs to be witty but cocky at the same time, and he can't do either the appropriate way. He comes off pouty and arrogant. And, he doesn't have the charm, the style or the necessary dose of "suave" to handle it. In short, while he can look like Rambo, he definitely can't look like the witty, sarcastic yet stylish and "swoonworthy" man that Bond is. And that's not gonna change any time soon.

[Gambit]

The thing about Daniel Craig, and the reason why I never know what anyone is talking about when they say what a great actor he is, is that he only has one facial expression. He's just a blank in his films and that wonky mouth always makes him look gormless.

[alessandra]

Dec 16, 2010 19:54:59 GMT -5 Gambit said:

The thing about Daniel Craig, and the reason why I never know what anyone is talking about when they say what a great actor he is, is that he only has one facial expression. He's just a blank in his films and that wonky mouth always makes him look gormless.

LOL. The thing is, he has a career in acting which means he can do something for sure, he can act. I just don't think he's anything sensational or great. And when I look at him, he doesn't tell me anything in terms of "conveying emotions". That is of course subjective, so others will probably find him incredibly good. I don't think fans have a right to say "So and so cannot act" since that's for professionals to judge. But for sure we can say what we see in terms of personal perception. I basically see the same as the above-mentioned. Which is not to say he cannot act. He can, I just don't think he's anywhere near great. And when it comes to humor, it is an utter DISASTER. He has got NONE of the charm and wit that 007 needs to convey those one-liners. He needs to watch Brosnan time and time again to even understand what that is. But, it's just not in his possibilities... he can't do it because he is not the kind of actor who will ever be able to do that. Simple as that.

[dalton007]

Dec 15, 2010 21:43:39 GMT -5 alessandra said:

Exactly!

And sorry, the one thing Craig really, and I mean REALLY can't handle is humour. He is terrible at it. And I mean really, really terrible. Especially at James Bond humour. That's the thing. He needs to be witty but cocky at the same time, and he can't do either the appropriate way. He comes off pouty and arrogant. And, he doesn't have the charm, the style or the necessary dose of "suave" to handle it. In short, while he can look like Rambo, he definitely can't look like the witty, sarcastic yet stylish and "swoonworthy" man that Bond is. And that's not gonna change any time soon.

To be honest, only Sean Connery can handle humour/witty,tough scenes and charm in balance. none of his successor can handle all of them well.
Roger moore were a charm master genius, real gentlemen. But Roger lack of toughness, his fight scenes were not convincing enough .
Lazenby, only his fights/action scenes seem convincing, maybe if he continued make another bond movies his acting skills would improves.
Dalton were very determined serious Bond, had his own of charm, look dangerous but in the meantime quite sophisticated. but Dalton can't handle humour well, all of his jokes fall flat, maybe because not of his inner strength to make other people laugh.
Brosnan was charmed, very smooth, and stylish bond. Brosnan were the best among the actors involving Bond in romantic or flirting scenes. But that's all he got best. Yes he can handle humour well like Roger did, but Brosnan acting never convinced me. His pain face expression were horrible. Brosnan lacks of toughness, to me among actors play Bond, Brosnan fight scenes were the most awful.
Daniel Craig like Dalton, his acting were great, and his fight scenes were good enough. but Craig lacks of styles and charm that every actor before him has, and like Dalton his humor fall flat with his monotone voice.

So i think EON would try harder to search for 7th actor to play Bond as good as Sean Connery.

[FormerBondFan]

Dec 27, 2010 12:47:43 GMT -5 dalton007 said:

Dalton were very determined serious Bond, had his own of charm, look dangerous but in the meantime quite sophisticated. but Dalton can't handle humour well, all of his jokes fall flat, maybe because not of his inner strength to make other people laugh.

The Rocketeer proved that Tim can be funny.

Brosnan was charmed, very smooth, and stylish bond. Brosnan were the best among the actors involving Bond in romantic or flirting scenes. But that's all he got best. Yes he can handle humour well like Roger did, but Brosnan acting never convinced me. His pain face expression were horrible. Brosnan lacks of toughness, to me among actors play Bond, Brosnan fight scenes were the most awful.

You can't blame him. It was the scripts and direction he was given that let him down. He wanted a dark and gritty Bond from the very beginning. If you think he can't handle the tough and gritty Bond, you might want to look at his movies such as The Tailor of Panama, The Matador, and especially The Fourth Protocol.

[alessandra]

Dec 27, 2010 12:47:43 GMT -5 dalton007 said:

Dec 15, 2010 21:43:39 GMT -5 alessandra said:

Exactly!

And sorry, the one thing Craig really, and I mean REALLY can't handle is humour. He is terrible at it. And I mean really, really terrible. Especially at James Bond humour. That's the thing. He needs to be witty but cocky at the same time, and he can't do either the appropriate way. He comes off pouty and arrogant. And, he doesn't have the charm, the style or the necessary dose of "suave" to handle it. In short, while he can look like Rambo, he definitely can't look like the witty, sarcastic yet stylish and "swoonworthy" man that Bond is. And that's not gonna change any time soon.

To be honest, only Sean Connery can handle humour/witty,tough scenes and charm in balance. none of his successor can handle all of them well.
Roger moore were a charm master genius, real gentlemen. But Roger lack of toughness, his fight scenes were not convincing enough .
Lazenby, only his fights/action scenes seem convincing, maybe if he continued make another bond movies his acting skills would improves.
Dalton were very determined serious Bond, had his own of charm, look dangerous but in the meantime quite sophisticated. but Dalton can't handle humour well, all of his jokes fall flat, maybe because not of his inner strength to make other people laugh.
Brosnan was charmed, very smooth, and stylish bond. Brosnan were the best among the actors involving Bond in romantic or flirting scenes. But that's all he got best. Yes he can handle humour well like Roger did, but Brosnan acting never convinced me. His pain face expression were horrible. Brosnan lacks of toughness, to me among actors play Bond, Brosnan fight scenes were the most awful.
Daniel Craig like Dalton, his acting were great, and his fight scenes were good enough. but Craig lacks of styles and charm that every actor before him has, and like Dalton his humor fall flat with his monotone voice.

So i think EON would try harder to search for 7th actor to play Bond as good as Sean Connery.

I disagree with many of the points you made. I do NOT think the Brosnan fight scenes were bad AT ALL. I think they were just fine. Bond is NOT about the actor doing fight scenes like Craig did. That is for a generic and blue-collar type of action figure like Bourne. Certainly not for a sophisticated spy. I didn't find Connery ANY better at fighting scenes than Brosnan was. Looked at now, the fighting scenes in Connery's movies are pretty ridiculous. They had different technique, and he doesn't stand a chance against modern fights, they really look pretty damn fake. And, I also don't see how Connery was that sensational at humor either. He's the original Bond, that's the thing. But other than that, even my mother who was a young woman when Connery started being Bond and got her passion for Bond from there, says that Brosnan is anyhow her favorite because he does all that Connery did, but his style is better than Connery's.

Brosnan had the right amount of action and he handled himself just fine in fighting scenes. Especially in GE, TND and TWINE. Not to mention the torture scene in DAD. Second part of DAD was ridiculous but that wasn't his fault, the script was like that. And he was by far the best at humor, style, flirting. In short, he was the most well-rounded one in my opinion.

I also completely disagree that Dalton couldn't handle humor. His jokes were just fine. As were his expressions in certain scenes (like for example when he's taking package out of the water after Q released it and looks at Pam undressing to a sexy Eres/La Perla bodysuit when taking off her port worker outfit. The movies were just too violent and too "basic" (lack of gadgets, though LTK was remarkably better than TLD even in that sense). Dalton was a MUCH better actor than Craig, not to mention he looked and behaved like James Bond. His problem were the scripts and the general tone of the movies, way too serious. But when he had humorous lines, he did just fine. And the style and looks, he totally had those too. I do enjoy LTK other than the exaggerate violence. I don't see how the Dalton fighting scenes (other than showing too much blood) are much different from the Brosnan ones at all. When he fights against Alec in GE it's pretty much the damn same as Dalton vs Dario or Sanchez in LTK. The fact LTK is more gory doesn't make the fight scenes better IMO, it makes them worse. Bond was never supposed to show all that blood and violence. Which is the same exact problem the Craig movies have. Gratuitous violence, including a gratuitous rape scene. Not to mention complete lack of refinement.

If I want to see random fight scenes, I don't go see Bond. I pick other movies.

Brosnan is the most well-rounded Bond as far as I'm concerned. Craig fails miserably on all accounts. Bond is NOT supposed to get into fights like he does. He is a sophisticated spy, not a freaking Ninja Turtle crossed with Rambo and Spider Man. Plus the Incredible Hulk. Fight scenes are for other movies. Bond has an amount of them, but always in a DIFFERENT way from the basic fistfight or kicking around stuff. Which is instead all Daniel Craig does. He's got zero style, sophistication and the humor is just tragic. He to me is by far the worst Bond. Doesn't look the part at all, doesn't act the part at all, and his two movies had nothing of what Bond movies should have.

Sir Roger may have been exaggerate in the humor part, but he was still WAY better than Craig at conveying the Bond image: how Bond should look and behave is still WAY more similar to Moore than it will ever be to Craig.

[FormerBondFan]

Have you seen The Rocketeer, alessandra? Tim does a lot of humor in there.