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Post by Bond 77 on Nov 28, 2009 22:56:47 GMT -5
5 out of 10. Not a fan of Martin Campbell, DC doesn't seem like Bond to me, the film grinds to a halt after Le Chiffre dies & is too long, the theme song is hopeless, the poker scenes are dull, too much clunky dialogue like when 'Bond' and Vesper banter on the train. The most overrated Bond film ever made. I agree with you that it is the most overrated Bond film ever made. My initial instinct was to give it a "2". However, I haven't made up my mind yet. Where do I begin? I guess I will start with the opening sequence. A bloody mess (literally) in a public bathroom. Bond isn't supposed to get messy. Bond completes missions in wet-suits, and then removes the wet-suit to unveil a perfectly pressed tuxedo. After a credits sequence I didn't really care for, we have this confusing stunt sequence that takes place at a construction site. I thought this film was supposed to be realistic like "Fleming's Bond". Does Fleming's "realistic" Bond hop around like Spiderman? Then what happens next? I honestly don't remember. Does Bond get castrated by Judi Dench, or does he wade in the ocean in hot pants? Which one happens first? Who cares? I'll skip to the casino stuff. The shower scene is so pitiful, so antithetical to all the conventions established for James Bond over several decades, that it has the resonance of a death knell for the 007 most of us knew and loved. Texas Hold'em? Why is James Bond playing the same card game that countless college frat-boys play for winnings that might buy you a 12-pack of Bud Light? There is nothing "James Bond" about playing Texas Hold'em. James Bond plays one card game, Baccarat (chemin-de-fer), the same card game played in the novel. The game played in every other Bond film except this one. I was expecting at some point to see Daniel Craig approach the table wearing sunglasses and a hooded sweatshirt like all those card players do on the World Series of Poker. Then what? Right, Bond get's his testicles slapped around. Then Le Chiffre gets killed. Then the film drags on for what seems like hours until our "realistic, Fleming Bond" finds himself in some huge building falling into a Venetian canal. Where in the novel does Fleming write, "Then Vesper drowned in a huge CGI fest"? I thought these reboot films were supposed to be more down to earth? Instead it seemed like I was watching a scene from Con-Air. Shortly thereafter the film finally ends. When I walked out of theater after seeing this film in 2006, I said to myself, "Maybe the next one will be better." It wasn't. |
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Post by mh4213 on Nov 29, 2009 12:06:28 GMT -5
5/10 because Daniel Craig just is not a young James Bond.
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Post by alex on Nov 29, 2009 14:57:18 GMT -5
4/10 Too Jason Bourne, too long, and they bungled the young Bond aspect by casting 63 year-old Daniel Craig. Not really my cup of tea. 
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Post by chuck007 on Nov 30, 2009 6:52:59 GMT -5
hah? do you want Bond like brosnan Bond who always get clean and his hair keep stylish after fighting and killing people??  GET REAL ;D this scenes are in different location and timing, go watch the deleted scenes...  free running is real bro, is an art, not manipulated by CGI like BROSNAN'S BOND PARACHUTE SCENES . The scenes is to show Bond as human to catch the villain by himself not by stupid freakin gadget. and to me and many others it seems more realitic than BROSNAN's invicible car. and speaking about fleming Bond, do you expect to see his creation woul be like this?  ;D this scene show Bond as human not just a clown Texas Hold'em gave the story more intense, and why is it so important to change the game? whether baccarat or not the point is to gamble read the novel huge CGI fest it seem down to earth to me and many others fan, than watching tarzan yelling by roger, stupid over the top villain who want world domination, or villain that has headquarters in outterspace?  |
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Favourite James Bond Films: The Dark Knight Trilogy, Mission: Impossible and any upcoming action films starring Pierce Brosnan (no, it's not James Bond which is good because he'll need it to expand his reputation as an actor, especially in the action realm)
Favourite Films: Star Wars, Indiana Jones, Star Trek, The Dark Knight Trilogy, Harry Potter, Middle-Earth, The Matrix, Mission: Impossible
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Post by FormerBondFan on Nov 30, 2009 9:57:19 GMT -5
hah? do you want Bond like brosnan Bond who always get clean and his hair keep stylish after fighting and killing people?? GET REAL ;D Tim's and Pierce's Bonds do end up getting messy. Tim's Bond has severe cuts fighting with Sanchez in LTK while Pierce's Bond end up with long hair and beard after 14 years of torture in North Korea as shown in DAD. Heck....even Sean's Bond end up getting messy by ending up bleeding on leg in TB. |
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Post by bjameso on Nov 30, 2009 19:48:45 GMT -5
3/10
I can see almost all the positives everyone else sees but... I just cant respect this film. After the number they pulled on Brosnan just so spoiled little BB can do it HER way. I have seen this movie a few times (around 4 or 5). The very instant it starts with the black and white minus the gun barrel, just down right bothers me. Then old short blond elfish Craig. Craigs shorty shorts, James Bond is (according to Flemming) for the Hetro-sexual Male. James Bond use to be about women in bikinis not some elf. anyways complaints go on and on with the poker, the Austin Martin ( I remember hearing people in the theater saying "Oh thats how he gets his car! eeerrr that means they havent even seen Goldfinger WTF), but to sum it up way way to much traditional elements messed with to appreciate the film. I don't mind change (Goldeneye, Live and Let Die) but it still has to be a Bond Movie. then there is QOS..... eeehhhh
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Favourite James Bond Films: The Dark Knight Trilogy, Mission: Impossible and any upcoming action films starring Pierce Brosnan (no, it's not James Bond which is good because he'll need it to expand his reputation as an actor, especially in the action realm)
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Post by FormerBondFan on Nov 30, 2009 23:40:54 GMT -5
I don't mind change (Goldeneye, Live and Let Die) but it still has to be a Bond Movie. then there is QOS..... eeehhhh Change is good, but it doesn't have to be replacing the actor who plays Bond. |
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Post by chuck007 on Dec 1, 2009 1:07:22 GMT -5
I don't mind change (Goldeneye, Live and Let Die) but it still has to be a Bond Movie. then there is QOS..... eeehhhh Change is good, but it doesn't have to be replacing the actor who plays Bond. do you think Brosnan can make a grittier Bond? |
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Post by Ranjit 007 on Dec 1, 2009 6:15:08 GMT -5
I liked Casino Royale and Craig's Bond when it came out. It was different and refreshing. I do think it is a bit overrated. All these years later I've realised that Casino Royale is not a Bond flick that can be viewed on a regular basis like the other adventures. It's reputation and that of Daniel's Bond has been sullied by Quantum of Solace.
I'll give it a seven as it was well made and different.
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Post by bjameso on Dec 1, 2009 21:16:48 GMT -5
Brosnan not only could be a grittier Bond but he was. Sure he was camp but thats part of Bond even Connery had camp. Back to Brsonan, when he kills electra king (Pierce nailed that scene), when Paris Carver dies a girl who "got to close" he was more focused on the job than the dead lover. When he finds out Frost betrayed him he doesn't hesitate to try to shot her. All this is hidden though behind the style of films. It's been said before and I'll repeat it PIERCE BROSNAN IS THE MOST WELL ROUNDED BOND. He can kill without hesitation, deliver one liners, looks the role, and he can have a heart to heart with the villain. When I think Brosnan I think Bond. When I think Craig I think the guy who should have been cast instead of will farrell in Elf.
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Post by chuck007 on Dec 1, 2009 21:58:35 GMT -5
Brosnan not only could be a grittier Bond but he was. Sure he was camp but thats part of Bond even Connery had camp. Back to Brsonan, when he kills electra king (Pierce nailed that scene), when Paris Carver dies a girl who "got to close" he was more focused on the job than the dead lover. When he finds out Frost betrayed him he doesn't hesitate to try to shot her. All this is hidden though behind the style of films. It's been said before and I'll repeat it PIERCE BROSNAN IS THE MOST WELL ROUNDED BOND. He can kill without hesitation, deliver one liners, looks the role, and he can have a heart to heart with the villain. When I think Brosnan I think Bond. When I think Craig I think the guy who should have been cast instead of will farrell in Elf. The scenes with electra and the other scenes you mention was brosnan's best attempt to look tough, and to me, he failed to deliver Bond as a tough character. The fact that Brosnan get razzie nomination for his role in TWINE (the first bond actor who got razzie nomination as Bond, i think) as "the worst couple" prove the quality of Brosnan acting. To me, every film (Bond or outside Bond) with Brosnan role in it, he play it with same approach, he offer no originality, he can't play any role differently. Mamma mia proof he was a mediocre actor with only charm is his strong point. to me he always remembered as Remington Steele not BOND ... |
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Post by FormerBondFan on Dec 1, 2009 23:14:36 GMT -5
What would be like if Christian Bale as Bond? Or you would say "Bale is too much of a pretty boy."
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Post by chuck007 on Dec 2, 2009 3:16:25 GMT -5
What would be like if Christian Bale as Bond? Or you would say "Bale is too much of a pretty boy." Bale could be grittier than Brosnan... |
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Post by adam on Dec 2, 2009 4:23:23 GMT -5
Knew Pierce got a razzie for Mama Mia, mainly for his dodgy singing, but did'nt know he got a razzie nomination for TWINE. I thought his performance was good.
He played it tough and gritty in all his films. As mentioned, killing enemies in cold blood such as Electra, Sean Bean & the professor in TND, beating up body guards in TND & TWINE, growing a beard & long hair. However Bond is also supposed to be charming, witty and sophisticated, so Pierce also had to incorporate that into his performances. Which he did to perfection. Too much toughess and you end up with a yawn fest QOS esq performance
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Post by chuck007 on Dec 2, 2009 5:05:55 GMT -5
here is THE LINK: www.razzies.com/asp/content/XcNewsPlus.asp?cmd=view&articleid=1Like i said before that's Brosnan BEST attempt to play it tough, but he lack of it and FAIL to deliver it on screen. he cannot pull it off. His figths scene not convincing enough to make the audience believe he could fight... a perfection? how come you call it a "perfection" when his charming, witty and sophisticated performance get razzies nomination as "WORST SCREEN COUPLE" (and like i said earlier, Brosnan was the FIRST BOND ACTOR who got such nomination as BOND) QOS is much better than TND,TWINE and DAD ;D |
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