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Post by harrypalmer on May 11, 2008 6:36:22 GMT -5
Apparantly relations between Salzman and Brocoli had become unbearable. Connery once said 'both men look at each other thinking you've got half of what i should have'. Salzman was there during the Connery era. He then helped choose Lazenby, another unknown who was dark and physical like Connery. Salzman needed to be persuaded to appoint Moore as Bond, he wanted a hollywood star like Redford, Newman or Reynolds. When TMWTGG met with a poor reception he obviously thought the franchise was it's way out & quit. With Salzman out of the way, Cubby Brocoli was free to take his time and make the Bond movie he wanted. The result was TSWLM. A film as good as TSWLM may never have been made if Salzman had'nt quit. So Harry would have made a Barbara style choice, and chosen someone like Robert Redford and gone in a new direction? Didn't Harry Saltzman have some financial diffculties too?
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Post by adam on May 11, 2008 13:53:10 GMT -5
'What if' Cary Grant had accepted the part & starred in 'Dr No' . Would he have just made one movie and then quit ?. Perhaps resulting in no more Bond movies being made. Or would he have carried on into his 60's playing Bond.(And we think Roger was old !) Was CG a still a big star in 1962 ? If not the film may have bombed.
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Post by harrypalmer on May 16, 2008 3:44:46 GMT -5
'What if' Cary Grant had accepted the part & starred in 'Dr No' . Would he have just made one movie and then quit ?. Perhaps resulting in no more Bond movies being made. Or would he have carried on into his 60's playing Bond.(And we think Roger was old !) Was CG a still a big star in 1962 ? If not the film may have bombed. Was Cary Grant offered the part?
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Post by Nick on May 16, 2008 16:16:12 GMT -5
'What if' Cary Grant had accepted the part & starred in 'Dr No' . Would he have just made one movie and then quit ?. Perhaps resulting in no more Bond movies being made. Or would he have carried on into his 60's playing Bond.(And we think Roger was old !) Was CG a still a big star in 1962 ? If not the film may have bombed. Was Cary Grant offered the part? I've read several times that he was approached for Dr No. Grant retired from acting in 1966.
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Post by adam on May 17, 2008 9:06:14 GMT -5
I've also read that he was approached but turned it down. Cubby & Harry Salzman probably wanted a big star to kick start their dream. One of the reasons Cary Grant turned it down was he felt he was too old. He looked good for his age but would have realised that the other Fleming books would have been turned into films if Dr No was successful. Maybe Cubby & Harry were trying to tie him to make possible sequals. So 'that lorry driver' ! (Flemings words) was appointed.
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Post by alex on May 17, 2008 14:59:42 GMT -5
It wouldn't have made much sense to cast Cary Grant as the first James Bond but I presume Cubby and Harry weren't really thinking that far ahead of making Dr No a reasonably profitable and competent film. I wonder what they'd think if someone told them in 1962 that the James Bond series would still be going in 2008!
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Post by adam on May 18, 2008 11:31:27 GMT -5
What if Sean had continued as Bond right through the 70's. The producers pleaded with him to star in DAF and wanted him to continue indefinatly, he was still only in his early 40's. After Lazenby flopped they were probably worried about the franchise stopping. Would we have been lumbered with an out of shape Bond going through the motions and picking up record breaking pay cheques. ? Or would he have reinvigourated himself and been a great 70's Bond ? He was certainly completly bald. What were the toupees like in the 70's ?
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Post by FormerBondFan on May 18, 2008 12:29:44 GMT -5
Even though in his early 40s, Sean did look a little too old in DAF.
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Post by poirot on May 18, 2008 13:05:43 GMT -5
If he had wanted to, Connery could've made a few more films in the 70's. However, I think they would've had to acknowledge his aging, and allowed him to portray Bond as a 00 who was getting up in years. (Similar to how he approached Never Say Never Again.)
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Post by FormerBondFan on May 18, 2008 13:40:20 GMT -5
Whether Moore took over or not, I think the 70s Bond films would still have a lighter tone, but I could be wrong though.
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Post by adam on May 19, 2008 17:05:17 GMT -5
Connery had made his fame and fortune as Bond. So the only reason to continue would be if he still had the hunger and motivation. A motivated and in shape Connery would have had the body to last throughout the 70's. However facially he did look a bit too old in DAF & was clearly wearing a toupee. The public would never accept a bald Bond now. He did age quite a bit during the 70's so would have had to have played a more mature Bond. Perhaps relying more on charm and humour like Moore did. My view is no actor, no matter how popular should star in more than 6 movies. The seris needs to be freshened up every decade or so. But after Lazenby flopped, the public may have accepted Connery as Bond for a few more films. Connery could have starred in LALD & TMWTGG but TSWLM & M were films more suited to Moore.
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Post by harrypalmer on May 20, 2008 10:17:47 GMT -5
What if they had made a normal Bond film in 2006 starring - for example - Gerard Butler. Would it have done well in the cinema? Or are people tired of the Bond formula?
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Post by adam on May 20, 2008 13:37:54 GMT -5
The public lapped up the Bond formula for 40 years. Can't see a reason why they would suddenly change. The critics gave DAD quite good reviews and it did great box office. A normal Bond with either Brosnan, Bale, Owen, Butler etc would have been just as popular as usual. Quite why they did something totally different is beyond me.
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Post by poirot on May 20, 2008 15:37:24 GMT -5
A normal Bond with either Brosnan, Bale, Owen, Butler etc would have been just as popular as usual. Quite true. CR essentially was received as just another Bond film in the US, since its gross wasn't much higher than that of DAD. (And was actually less, when adjusted for inflation.) Even more interesting is that EON largely invited the Bourne comparisons themselves. The media never really portrayed Bourne as a threat to Bond. When Identity was first released, everyone was portraying the over-the-top "XXX" as Bond's true peer. And even after Supremacy, Brosnan was still considered the most logical choice for Bond 21- by both the media and public opinion. No one was suggesting that Bond needed a drastic makeover/reboot.
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Post by FormerBondFan on May 20, 2008 15:45:44 GMT -5
If a normal Bond movie was made in 2004/2005 without Pierce, it would still not surpass DAD.
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